At one Point DMX was considered better than Hov

[The_Third_Man]

hotter? maybe
better? no

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I just like Jay-Z's albums better.

 

[DarkmanX]

i know for sure that the infamous is better than reasonable doubt but not hell on earth though. in my opinion

honestly at the time i was a little bit disappointed in hell on earth because i expected it to be the same quality as the infamous. and houdini p's lyrics weren't as sharp nor were hav's beats as crisp as the album prior. it took a while to grow on me, it was a lot darker & murkier. the joint that hit me hard though was get dealt with. goddamn thats one of the hardest joints ever.. oh and still shinin' definitely

Damn. Respect your opinion but to me Hell On Earth is even better than Infamous. To me P stepped it up even more and Havs production was by far more polished.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

98 was a weird year. Hip hop was still recovering from the loss of Big and Pac and a lot of legends were becoming increasingly irrelevant. It was the mark of a new era. DMX and Jay were just as big as each other. You can put Pun up there too. Meth was really supposed to be the guy who had next but Def Jam fumbled the ball. Then there’s Canibus who was everyone’s number one draft pick. But he didn’t live up to his potential

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Dmx washed Jayz on every song they were on. I like both but that's a fact. Especially money cash hoes. I wish that murderers album drop would have been fire. DMX energy on songs made me a fan. Like get at me dog and stop being greedy.... but he was clearly on drugs the entire time and it caught up with him.

Definitely not this song. x had the worse verse

 

[old boy]

Damn. Respect your opinion but to me Hell On Earth is even better than Infamous. To me P stepped it up even more and Havs production was by far more polished.

yeah you're not alone with that one, more people seem to agree with you and mobbinfms than me

 

[mobbinfms]

yeah you're not alone with that one, more people seem to agree with you and mobbinfms than me

I’ve got Infamous over HOE.

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

DMX is a better songwriter and performer. He also had a higher level of superstardom.

 

[Art Barr]

we need colis hiphop historians in here, @Art Barr @FreshAIG

bless us with yall's take of late 90s, DMX vs Jay (vs Master P?) debate

1.) who was hotter
2.) who was considered better (at the time)

Jay's draw trickled over from the impact of defjam posing x as the new tupac on the get@medog video
Along with the oversaturation method and jiggy aesthetic.
Originally x was the larger draw and rocafella tries to revision history.
like they never piggybacked off of rr's impact and sales explosion with x at defjam.

When originally the original jayz universal/defjam launch symbolized by the cover of the first xxl jayz flopped.
Compared to master pr who had the largest mainstream draw across the board for rap.
Which is why the oversaturation method was put into place.
using movie money as a supplement. As that was what helped jay originally on ain't no nikka. So they just redid it with more bsides to accompany it in the market place.
In comparison dmx was an immediate saves all of defjam from the dark ages of the former glass ceiling of pac/big's death.

It is rocafella revision like usual.
to try to make it like jay was seeing x originally. X and p were significantly larger grass root draws from being associated to Pac in some marketing.

I mean, has any ny rapper ever really outdrew anyone trying to and has gotten that connection to being a large draw ruthless to priority based interscope driven rapper at their height and you get your answer.

Jay's best weapon against any of this is he is the greatest pr'd rapper of all time.

Past that, his draw was never really on dmx and master p level.
Over time he eventually won their crowd over.
As their draw dwindled his run never lapped their runs tho.
Yet originally the jayz jiggy commercial stuck up beaugoise sellout rap fan crowd were not liked by the former Pac fan crowd.
Over time this melded together but originally they were juxtaposed.
Where rocafella basically used x's draw in admin for the hard knock life tour.
to eventually segueway into the pac fan crowd.
[Which is why jay whole honor Pac shyt rubbed people the wrong way in his pr]

The same way rr used cash money and vice versa to gain gateway pop entry Into each others draw and crowd.

Originally though,...
It was :
Master p
Dmx
Jay

This is by draw to the general marketplace not in the actual culture of hip hop.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

:blankman:

Jay was never the top or hottest draw in rap.


Dmx
Eminem
Nelly

All were higher draws during his largest drawing eras.

Sometime by almost double times two releases what jayz was selling.

Art Barr

 

[Gravity]

Yea let’s sit around arguing over personal opinions about artists and they’re music from 20 years ago.

 

[Just like bruddas]

Yea let’s sit around arguing over personal opinions about artists and they’re music from 20 years ago.

Nas lost

 

[Art Barr]

Not even remotely

I lived that era breh. He was amazing and a breath of fresh air but he has never been a contender for top 5 at any point in his career. Y'all confusing being hot with being the best.

DMX was on fire but Jay was still out rapping him.

Not true at all,...
Jay scaled back his actual technical aptitude on volume II. It is more fluid than his board stiff technical and sonic landscape change on vol I. Yet on volume II it is a complete skill shed. Of which dmx in his native production suited to what dmx was. Was more at home and never had the same issues with MIC presence, fluidity, vocal tonality, pocketing flows, or actual advanced rhyme writing. That jay struggles through bar to bar in the sonic landscape change of volume II. Dmx never had those issues bar to bar and he never dulled his technical prowess lyrically. Technically both dmx and jayz are holdovers from the styles war era. Predating the technical era all the way to the golden era. Yet in that dmx found a way to get his entire style off. Whereas jay just became a slow flow guy with a taste of what him and jaz brought to the dance. after moe Dee as far as tongue twisting or double time. Yet in that it was never the mastery jaz and dmx had skill set to skill set over styles and technical application as emcees. So, in that dmx was always the higher accredited emcee. He still is because I don't believe dmx has used a gw like jay has.
As far as popularity, at their height dmx was the larger draw.
As far as skills all time, dmx would be more skilled than jay. As dmx has never reportedly been a gw for rapper.



Art Barr

 

[CrimsonTider]

Jay was never the top or hottest draw in rap.


Dmx
Eminem
Nelly

All were higher draws during his largest drawing eras.

Sometime by almost double times two releases what jayz was selling.

Art Barr

he was the biggest draw in 2009

 

[CrimsonTider]

98 was a weird year. Hip hop was still recovering from the loss of Big and Pac and a lot of legends were becoming increasingly irrelevant. It was the mark of a new era. DMX and Jay were just as big as each other. You can put Pun up there too. Meth was really supposed to be the guy who had next but Def Jam fumbled the ball. Then there’s Canibus who was everyone’s number one draft pick. But he didn’t live up to his potential

LOL.

It was the year that it was impossible ignore the SOUTH's place and influence in hiphop.

Aquemni
400 degrees
The Last Don
Charge it to da game