At what Age did you Realize you're NEVER going to be Well-Off or even Upper Middle Class, you're just AVERAGE at Best?

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I'm 6 figs and never really believed I wouldn't be here but never expected it to come to me as well.

Just focused on improving the skills I have and connecting with people in the same industry that I could bounce questions off of.

Make an effort to be good to people, whether they are above you, below you, or equal, in regard to job position. Never know who is looking to pull people up on their way up.

Be results oriented and I can't stress enough, learn how to communicate with people on their level. I work with very smart people who can't tell you in layman's terms what it is they do. For having that skill alone I end up being in charge of these guys.

Don't be susceptible to the noise surrounding you, focus on your goals and have a plan to reach them, and always be flexible in how you operate because adaptability is constant.
 

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Already made it further than I thought possible and with my most recent opportunity and certs obtained along with it, I'm only gettin' started fr. I'm closer to 6 figure 6 certs than I'm not & expect to be there next year. Plus, "never" won't ever be a regular staple of my vocabulary.
 

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Class is more about lifestyle than the money.
Yes, money plays a part but its not the whole picture.

For instance, you have three brehs who work corporate 9-5 jobs.

Breh 1 gets off of work, goes home and plays video games.
Breh 2 gets off of work, goes to Equinox and plays in a basketball league.
Breh 3 gets off of work, and goes to play a round of golf.

All the brehs are technically middle class.
But based off of their lifystyles, Breh 1 is lower middle class, Breh 2 is middle middle class, and Breh 3 is upper middle class.
 

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sheeit...im just hitting my stride I guess Im still dreaming lol. Boss'd up and floss'd by 40
 
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What?

Who evaluates class by the activity you do when you get off of work? I've literally never heard of that before.

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it’s bcuz you’re not upper middle class…now go play nintendo :mjpls: :troll:

seriously tho that “what?” has me in tears cuz that’s exactly what I thought when I read that shyt lmaoooo

it’s true that ppl in those subclasses MIGHT take part in different leisure activities but that’s not what defines those subclasses lmao
 

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I can't believe y'all think it's that hard to get some damn money (and a good woman🤣)

wtf were y'all doing in ya 20/30s? like seriously
 

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I make 75k a year at 29 years old, I feel I can break 100k in next few years. Got my CCNA and tons of industry experience.

payed off my car and will be done with my debt by january. Im a blessed brotha, millionaire or higher hell naw but I feel like by 35 I will be pretty damn comfy as Im already sitting pretty now.
 

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What?

Who evaluates class by the activity you do when you get off of work? I've literally never heard of that before.

Then it means you don't know much about class.
And that goes for a lot of you brehs judging by the reactions from my comment.

Everything about you is evaluated with respect to class.
The way you speak.
The way you dress.
How you eat.
Where you live.
Where you grew up.
Where you went to school.
The job you have.
The car you drive.
Your hobbies.
Your values.
Your taste.
Whom you marry.
How you spend your free time.
Where you travel/go on vacation.
Your fitness level.
What books you read.

Your class informs all of this.
Class is about values, taste, upbringing and lifestyle.
Your money informs all of this, of course, but people don't see your money, they see all the stuff above.
And that's how they evaluate you.

In many elite industries, they evaluate candidates for jobs based on whether they are a "good fit/good cultural fit".
That's nothing but coded words for whether they are a good "class fit" especially if you're in an industry that deals with high net worth individuals.
A lot of black people have a hard time with this because "good cultural fit" can seem to be very arbitrary and vague.
But because many black folk like you don't seem to understand class, they never get it, and will just come to the very reductionist conclusion that you have to be white conforming or white-washed to get the job.

In my previous example with the three corporate brehs, if they applied to work at my investment firm, breh 1 would be rejected off rip and deemed not a good cultural fit. It would be because he doesn't spend his off-time productively or in a manner that "upper middle class" people deem productive. He, on the other hand, because he doesn't understand class, would walk away from the rejection thinking the company is racist.

Breh 2 would be considered and given an interview. He spends his off-time being active which means he cares about his physical health. He has a membership at Equinox which isn't cheap, and he plays in a basketball league which means he likes to be social and interact with people outside of work. It also demonstrates that he's a team player. This makes him a little bit more dynamic than breh 1. But basketball is "typically" viewed as a working class sport so spending so much time particpating in that activity may be a red flag especially when many investments firms rely on employees to bring in new clients. What type of high net worth clients can this person bring in from relationships that he fostered through playing basketball?

Breh 3 would immediately be considered. He plays golf in his off-time which means he most likely has access to a country club, where membership is costly, and golf typically attracts a higher net worth crowd. This means he has access to a higher net worth network through his hobbies than brehs 1&2. That would be gold for an investment firm which is always trying to attract higher net worth individuals for clients. It also means he has something in common with the current wealthy clients of the firm and it would be easier to foster deeper relationships with them moreso than brehs 1&2. Breh 3 is essentially the right "cultural" fit for the firm.

That's class in a nutshell.
Money also doesn't necessary correllate with class.

You can be high income but low class.
You can be low income but high class.

Again, class is informed by shared lifestyles, values, upbringing and taste.

The mistake that many of you all make is thinking income has a 1:1 relationship with class and it absolutely does not.
And the people that think like this, off rip, you can tell come from a lower/working class background.
 
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Then it means you don't know much about class.
And that goes for a lot of you brehs judging by the reactions from my comment.

Everything about you is evaluated with respect to class.
The way you speak.
The way you dress.
How you eat.
Where you live.
Where you grew up.
Where you went to school.
The job you have.
The car you drive.
Your hobbies.
Your values.
Your taste.
Whom you marry.
How you spend your free time.
Where you travel/go on vacation.
Your fitness level.
What books you read.

Your class informs all of this.
Class is about values, taste, upbringing and lifestyle.
Your money informs all of this, of course, but people don't see your money, they see all the stuff above.
And that's how they evaluate you.

In many elite industries, they evaluate candidates for jobs based on whether they are a "good fit/good cultural fit".
That's nothing but coded words for whether they are a good "class fit" especially if you're in an industry that deals with high net worth individuals.
A lot of black people have a hard time with this because "good cultural fit" can seem to be very arbitrary and vague.
But because many black folk like you don't seem to understand class, they never get it, and will just come to the very reductionist conclusion that you have to be white conforming or white-washed to get the job.

In my previous example with the three corporate brehs, if they applied to work at my investment firm, breh 1 would be rejected off rip and deemed not a good cultural fit. It would be because he doesn't spend his off-time productively or in a manner that "upper middle class" people deem productive. He, on the other hand, because he doesn't understand class, would walk away from the rejection thinking the company is racist.

Breh 2 would be considered and given an interview. He spends his off-time being active which means he cares about his physical health. He has a membership at Equinox which isn't cheap, and he plays in a basketball league which means he likes to be social and interact with people outside of work. It also demonstrates that he's a team player. This makes him a little bit more dynamic than breh 1. But basketball is "typically" viewed as a working class sport so spending so much time particpating in that activity may be a red flag especially when many investments firms rely on employees to bring in new clients. What type of high net worth clients can this person bring in from relationships that he fostered through playing basketball?

Breh 3 would immediately be considered. He plays golf in his off-time which means he most likely has access to a country club, where membership is costly, and golf typically attracts a higher net worth crowd. This means he has access to a higher net worth network through his hobbies than brehs 1&2. That would be gold for an investment firm which is always trying to attract higher net worth individuals for clients. It also means he has something in common with the current wealthy clients of the firm and it would be easier to foster deeper relationships with them moreso than brehs 1&2. Breh 3 is essentially the right "cultural" fit for the firm.

That's class in a nutshell.
Money also doesn't necessary correllate with class.

You can be high income but low class.
You can be low income but high class.

Again, class is informed by shared lifestyles, values, upbringing and taste.

The mistake that many of you all make is thinking income has a 1:1 relationship with class and it absolutely does not.
And the people that think like this, off rip, you can tell come from a lower/working class background.

Whatever you’re talking about is not we’re talking about. We’re talking about income vs. cost of living and what you can afford to do/buy and based on that ratio. It’s a math problem, not a social. You’re talking about social class and perception, like “being” low class. And even that, the way you explained it in your scenarios, is largely tied to income.
 

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I'll be retiring at 57. I'll make close to 200k in retirement. I'll split time between my hometown to be near my mom and DR where my wife is from. I'll sell one of my businesses and my other is where I hold my property. Never thought I would make it this far. Men truly explode their career and earnings in their 40s. Don't get discouraged, just keep your focus on doing better each day.
 

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Whatever you’re talking about is not we’re talking about. We’re talking about income vs. cost of living and what you can afford to do/buy and based on that ratio. It’s a math problem, not a social. You’re talking about social class and perception, like “being” low class. And even that, the way you explained it in your scenarios, is largely tied to income.

The thread title says "upper middle class" which generally evokes to most people a certain class lifestyle.
He could of said "well off or even upper income" and that would have kept the discussion strictly focused on income and cost of living without the inclusion of class. My original post was simply saying that you don't necessarily have to make a certain amount of money to be considered "upper middle class". You can make less than but if you share the same lifestyle, habits, taste etc... then you would considered that class regardless if your money is there.
 
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