Atheist lib. asks "Whatever happened to religious freedom?" (article)

[CHL]

Because we have standards in society and as it stands today those standards say that being gay is not the same as and better than being a nazi or a hate group or condemning people to hell (I think I am being redundant with the latter two)
so that makes these examples of yours false equivalences or a version of trying to put the horse back in the barn, by equivalencing expressions that society has already made illegal or unacceptable to those that we have made acceptable and legal.

here is a question that may help you understand better
Do you think an LGBT organization or the most liberal of liberals (say a vegan transsexual at home mom who home-schools her adopted children, one explicitly chosen from each continent on the planet btw) would support a Christian bakery who:

-refused to bake a cake glorifying child pornography or sexual slavery of young women?

-or refused to bake a cake that said "All Christians should be executed"?

and would YOU call the LGBT hypocrites or liberal for supporting said Christian bakery-if you believe they would- in that protest while demanding that cakes celebrating their type of union be made by any and all bakeries they wish?

Pretty sure Caitlyn Jenner is a conservative, breh

 

[valet]

Because we have standards in society and as it stands today those standards say that being gay is not the same as and better than being a nazi or a hate group or condemning people to hell (I think I am being redundant with the latter two)
so that makes these examples of yours false equivalences or a version of trying to put the horse back in the barn, by equivalencing expressions that society has already made illegal or unacceptable to those that we have made acceptable and legal.

here is a question that may help you understand better
Do you think an LGBT organization or the most liberal of liberals (say a vegan transsexual at home mom who home-schools her adopted children, one explicitly chosen from each continent on the planet btw) would support a Christian bakery who:

-refused to bake a cake glorifying child pornography or sexual slavery of young women?

-or refused to bake a cake that said "All Christians should be executed"?

and would YOU call the LGBT hypocrites or liberal for supporting said Christian bakery-if you believe they would- in that protest while demanding that cakes celebrating their type of union be made by any and all bakeries they wish?

Just for clarificaiton. I get the the LGBT supports the bakery for refusing to bake those 2 cakes in this example. Help me to understand the last part though. Why would it in this a hypothetical a possibility that they would be hypocrite or liberals for supporting the Chrisitan bakery in that. But at the same time be in favor all bakeries making gay cakes? I'm not getting the connection.

 

[tmonster]

I get the the LGBT supports the bakery for refusing to bake those 2 cakes in this example.

answer why you believe they will make this distinction and your question will be answered

 

[valet]

answer why you believe they will make this distinction and your question will be answered

They would say that those things are morally wrong. And believe the gay cake is moral right. (for the most at least. some gays know homosexuality is immoral). So you're saying because the gays think it's moral then the other cake examples, are bad examples. Because of the gays belief about their sin?

 

[tmonster]

They would say that those things are morally wrong. And believe the gay cake is moral right. (for the most at least. some gays know homosexuality is immoral). So you're saying because the gays think it's moral then the other cake examples, are bad examples. Because of the gays belief about their sin?

what's important is that you realize that there is no blanket unlimited practice of freedom in society
gays were not being given unlimited freedom and neither are Christian
the right to not be discriminated against because you're gay is not a right to not be discriminated against because you are ou are hateful or want to spread hate
the key here is hate
the simple principle to follow is give as much freedom as possible without hurting anyone
within reason

when we get down to it this whole thing is political, I doubt gay people want people who hate them making food for them

 

[valet]

what's important is that you realize that there is no blanket unlimited practice of freedom in society
gays were not being given unlimited freedom and neither are Christian
the right to not be discriminated against because you're gay is not a right to not be discriminated against because you are ou are hateful or want to spread hate
the key here is hate
the simple principle to follow is give as much freedom as possible without hurting anyone
within reason

when we get down to it this whole thing is political, I doubt gay people want people who hate them making food for them

Ok, on rest. But how is hate being defined hear? Does disagreement mean hate or something else?

 

[tmonster]

Ok, on rest. But how is hate being defined hear? Does disagreement mean hate or something else?

I guess we can look up the federal definition. But I'd like too think that eternal damnation as a consequence of being is hate

 

[NZA]

based on my layman's understanding of federal civil rights law:

klan and swastika cake can legally be refused based on business policies banning offensive imagery as long as that policy is fairly held to all customers

bible cake can be refused based on the word "fags", but the bible is federally protected. an edit to the language could be made, such as citing a bible chapter and verse or restate the message in more family friendly language

 

[88m3]

religious freedom =/ right to discriminate


for the millionth time

 

[dennis roadman]

If a Christian refused to serve someone in a resturant b/c they're gay, then I would agree. If somebody hungry feed them according to Jesus. The wedding cake thing is different though. Let's use Black business for example. Let's say the NOI had a bakery. And a white person came in there and said "I want you to make this cake for me." Unless, you're a koon, you would totally understand their refusal to do that.

Or you go to Jewish bakery and ask them to make this cake

How about going to a bakery owned by gay people (we have one in here in Detroit actually). And asking them to bake this cake.

the KKK, Nazis, and Westboro Baptist types are asking for cakes that demean, explicitly or otherwise, a specific group that the theoretical bakery owners belong to

gay people asking for a wedding cake are not insulting or demeaning christian owners of a bakery. they just want a cake

did you think this all the way through?

 

[tmonster]

the KKK, Nazis, and Westboro Baptist types are asking for cakes that demean, explicitly or otherwise, a specific group that the theoretical bakery owners belong to

gay people asking for a wedding cake are not insulting or demeaning christian owners of a bakery. they just want a cake

did you think this all the way through?

I guess the ideas that gay people exist (one of God's creations according to their theology) and want to get married are in themselves insulting to Christians.................................

 

[CHL]

I guess the ideas that gay people exist (one of God's creations according to their theology) and want to get married are in themselves insulting to Christians.................................

It signifies the utter of incompetence of "God" as a "creator". It's like the Kwame brown of deities

 

[valet]

the KKK, Nazis, and Westboro Baptist types are asking for cakes that demean, explicitly or otherwise, a specific group that the theoretical bakery owners belong to

gay people asking for a wedding cake are not insulting or demeaning christian owners of a bakery. they just want a cake

did you think this all the way through?

It is insult, demeaning to what God says is marriage in their view.

 

[tmonster]

It is insult, demeaning to what God says is marriage in their view.

so let god come down here and do something about it, it's his words
you might as well tell me santa claus is against gay marriage

 

[dennis roadman]

It is insult, demeaning to what God says is marriage in their view.

A cake that says "congratulations" is an insult?

Let's assume the bakery owners are Christians, yeah? Would they be then permitted to deny cakes for Jews, Hindus, and Zoroastrianism, since households bonded by marriage of these belief systems are not in line with what God says, in their view?

What about people getting married for the second time?