Baker Mayfield looking like the BUST I told ya'll he would be....

[Swagnificent]

Only one of his three seasons have been bad. This is coming from the guy who begged the browns to draft Lamar Jackson

He has been terrible this season outside of a couple of games. I know we live in a world where we are prisoners of the moment, but just a few weeks ago he was a game manager being hidden by his team's elite running game. One big game against the Titans doesn't change that.

Also both this season and his rookie year have featured really weak schedules which is the main reason he hasn't looked awful. Wait until next year when they get a tough schedule like they did in 2019 given how high they will finish this year in the standings. We'll see then just how good this cac is when he doesn't have the NFC East to feast on.

 

[feelosofer]

If you want to say Baker Mayfield is overatted, ok cool, I can understand that but if you want to say he is a BUST you can't. It's disingenuous to discount him when he plays well and then jump around for joy when he doesn't. Fact of the matter is the Browns are a playoff team barring some major collapse they're 9-3. While I do think he needs to be a little more efficient, he has been pretty solid otherwise this year.

 

[Microfracture]

He hasn't thrown a pick since week 7 and the coach has designed the offense with a lot of play action and rollouts to play to his strengths. He's still too inconsistent for my liking but when he's confident he can be good. More attention should be paid to the coaching and guys like Garrett and Ogunjobi. All Baker has to do is stick to the gameplan and keep it simple.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Then why bump this thread? Any bum can have a decent season. See Trubisky in 2018.

Let this cac put more than a few good games together before havng a victory parade.

Thread was bumped because he hasnt been looking like a bust this season. There is no victory parade but its important to chronicle the entire journey if the premise is "He'll be a bust". Cant just up the thread when he plays bad right?

He's had 2 decent seasons and was awful last year. As of now, 3 seasons in, he's not trending as a bust. And you also noted Josh Rosen in your OP as a comparison.

 

[Swagnificent]

If you want to say Baker Mayfield is overatted, ok cool, I can understand that but if you want to say he is a BUST you can't. It's disingenuous to discount him when he plays well and then jump around for joy when he doesn't. Fact of the matter is the Browns are a playoff team barring some major collapse they're 9-3. While I do think he needs to be a little more efficient, he has been pretty solid otherwise this year.

Thread was bumped because he hasnt been looking like a bust this season. There is no victory parade but its important to chronicle the entire journey if the premise is "He'll be a bust". Cant just up the thread when he plays bad right?

He's had 2 decent seasons and was awful last year. As of now, 3 seasons in, he's not trending as a bust. And you also noted Josh Rosen in your OP as a comparison.

I'm gonna say he's a bust cause I always look at the long term not the short term.

Is Carson Wentz not a bust right now? He had higher highs than Mayfield for most of his career. Was pretty much the NFL MVP in 2017 before tearing his ACL. And is now being benched for a rookie QB.

Baker Mayfield will have a similar fate. He will eventually be let go by the Browns because of poor play. He's not a franchise QB. What you are seeing this year is him benefitting from a talented supporting cast and a weak schedule. I don't give guys props for short term success. If Mayfield is a baller then he should be doing this EVERY YEAR. Just cause he's had a little hot streak lately against a soft schedule ain't worth much of a discussion.

 

[THE MACHINE]

I'm gonna say he's a bust cause I always look at the long term not the short term.

Is Carson Wentz not a bust right now? He had higher highs than Mayfield for most of his career. Was pretty much the NFL MVP in 2017 before tearing his ACL. And is now being benched for a rookie QB.

Baker Mayfield will have a similar fate. He will eventually be let go by the Browns because of poor play. He's not a franchise QB. What you are seeing this year is him benefitting from a talented supporting cast and a weak schedule. I don't give guys props for short term success. If Mayfield is a baller then he should be doing this EVERY YEAR. Just cause he's had a little hot streak lately against a soft schedule ain't worth much of a discussion.

I hear you, Im just saying there is middle ground for players. Not always HOFer or Bust. I see Baker as a middle of the road QB (Matt Ryan, Tannehill), definitely not worth the number 1 pick though. And how far down the road is "eventually" in your scenario?

Rosen is a bust
Jamarcus Russell is a bust
Blaine Gabbert is a bust
Jake Locker is a bust

I dont see Baker on the bust trajectory. Time will tell though

 

[Rekkapryde]

Eye Cue got banned?

 

[FabTrey]

He has been terrible this season outside of a couple of games. I know we live in a world where we are prisoners of the moment, but just a few weeks ago he was a game manager being hidden by his team's elite running game. One big game against the Titans doesn't change that.

Also both this season and his rookie year have featured really weak schedules which is the main reason he hasn't looked awful. Wait until next year when they get a tough schedule like they did in 2019 given how high they will finish this year in the standings. We'll see then just how good this cac is when he doesn't have the NFC East to feast on.

real man own up to his bad take.

baker cac aint no bust. he ain't no savior either. just own up to it nikka

 

[Swagnificent]

I hear you, Im just saying there is middle ground for players. Not always HOFer or Bust. I see Baker as a middle of the road QB (Matt Ryan, Tannehill), definitely not worth the number 1 pick though. And how far down the road is "eventually" in your scenario?

Rosen is a bust
Jamarcus Russell is a bust
Blaine Gabbert is a bust
Jake Locker is a bust

I dont see Baker on the bust trajectory. Time will tell though

Tannehill is a bust. His original team let him go. Now he's had one and a half good seasons at Tennessee. If he sustains this then he is not a bust. But he has to sustain it. One and half year of good ball doesn't make a career. You can't just be prisoner of the moment and say a guy is good cause he's having a short run of success after being trash for so long.

Ryan is a solid NFL starter who has been resigned multiple times by Atlanta and he's managed to win MVP and make a Super Bowl. If Baker can be that then he will not be a bust. But I highly doubt it. To me he's closer to Jameis Winston than Matt Ryan. I see him eventually being let go by the Browns like Tampa Bay did Jameis. In the NFL things can change quickly. Don't forget Trubisky made the Pro Bowl in 2018 and led the Bears to a 12-4 record.

 

[Swagnificent]

real man own up to his bad take.

baker cac aint no bust. he ain't no savior either. just own up to it nikka

You ever seen me to be prisoner of the moment? You guys can change with the wind after each week. I trust my eyes. This cac is still hot garbage. He's simply on a hot streak right now aided by a weak schedule and great supporting cast.

At the end of the day guys will regress back to what they really are. I've been consistent on this cac being a bust. One good game against the Titans and a stretch of aight play against bad teams ain't gonna move me.

 

[klientel]

Cleveland built a perfect team to mask his weaknesses and now dont need him to be good in order to succeed....he couldnt have landed in a better situation.

I would never trust him to win a playoff game for me, but he's probably not going to lose it either. He's a really good game manager now.

 

[kdslittlebro]

Cleveland built a perfect team to mask his weaknesses and now dont need him to be good in order to succeed....he couldnt have landed in a better situation.

I would never trust him to win a playoff game for me, but he's probably not going to lose it either. He's a really good game manager now.

If he can't win A playoff game, I don't think they're ever winning a chip. (I don't think they're winning a chip). It's really hard to hide QB play today when it matters imo. Eventually they gotta make big plays in big situations to go all the way

That said he is prospering. He did work on Tenn

 

[feelosofer]

I'm gonna say he's a bust cause I always look at the long term not the short term.

Is Carson Wentz not a bust right now? He had higher highs than Mayfield for most of his career. Was pretty much the NFL MVP in 2017 before tearing his ACL. And is now being benched for a rookie QB.

Baker Mayfield will have a similar fate. He will eventually be let go by the Browns because of poor play. He's not a franchise QB. What you are seeing this year is him benefitting from a talented supporting cast and a weak schedule. I don't give guys props for short term success. If Mayfield is a baller then he should be doing this EVERY YEAR. Just cause he's had a little hot streak lately against a soft schedule ain't worth much of a discussion.

This is year 3 for Baker, his play has been decent this year. He's not a bust. You're moving the goalposts. Are the Browns a playoff team RIGHT NOW. Yes or No? No one on here is saying the dude is elite, all we are saying is that he isn't a bust.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Tannehill is a bust. His original team let him go. Now he's had one and a half good seasons at Tennessee. If he sustains this then he is not a bust. But he has to sustain it. One and half year of good ball doesn't make a career. You can't just be prisoner of the moment and say a guy is good cause he's having a short run of success after being trash for so long.

His OG squad let him go but you cant base things solely on organizations because not all front offices are competent. Tannehill is a solid starting QB that has had - at least - 4 really solid years, not to mention hes been a starter for 7 years which isnt easy to do at the QB position. He's a solid game manager. Henry is the offense though.
57-53 as a starter is not close to a bust record
171:86 is not close to bust TD:INT ratio

 

[Swagnificent]

This is year 3 for Baker, his play has been decent this year. He's not a bust. You're moving the goalposts. Are the Browns a playoff team RIGHT NOW. Yes or No? No one on here is saying the dude is elite, all we are saying is that he isn't a bust.

Is Jameis a bust? In Year 3, he had a 92.2 QB rating. Now he's a 3rd string QB in the NFL.

Is Trubisky a bust? He had the Bears 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl as a 2nd year player.

I ain't moving no goalposts. I'm telling you he's still trash despite this short term success. He needs to keep this up for MULTIPLE SEASONS. Anybody can have a few good games on a loaded team in one season.