Barkley: LeBron better than Jordan?

[Malta]

Edit: Keep on believing Lebron was better than Jordan at 18 and not that Lebron was just in a different time period. Jordan would've jumped from high school too had he been born 20 years later. If anything, Lebron should thank KG & Kobe for making owners feel comfortable taking risks on high schoolers. That shyt wasn't flying when Jordan was 18.

KG and Kobe should thank Shawn Kemp and Moses Malone

Honestly, LeBron vs Jordan at 18 isn't really fair, Jordan could have jumped from HS to the league sure, but he wasn't going to be putting up 20/5/5 @ 18. He was 189lbs, what made LeBron special is the fact he came into the league at 245lbs, off the top of my head the only SF that was heavier than him was Artest, and Ron isn't even on the same plane athletically.

LeBron had the best numbers ever for a HS player jumping to the league, he was so far a head of the curve because of how freakishly big he was. To put it in perspective, had an 18 year old LeBron entered the draft this year, only 3 Power Forwards that were drafted would outweigh him, Sullinger (268lbs), White (261lbs), Terrance Jones (252lbs), Bron @ 18 was basically the size of Thomas Robinson who is 21.


Bron @ 18

Mike @ 18/19

 

[YBE]

lol @ that Jordan pic

oh shyt

 

[McPiff]

Jordan averaged 37 per game one year shooting 48%. Let me type that again:

Jordan averaged 37 per game one year 48%.

Lebron has never done this.

Jordan averaged 32, 8, and 8 per game one year shooting 54%. Let me type that again:

Jordan averaged 32, 8, and 8 per game one year shooting 54%.

Jordan has also averaged more than 32 PPG 4 straight seasons. Jordan never lost in a Finals he played in. Sh*t, even talking straight athletics, Jordan won back to back dunk contests

Lebron has never done that. So Lebron could be better than Jordan based on what? How can you be better than the man who can do everything you do, but you can't do everything he does?

Never said he was.....yet

But you'd be stupid to think that Lebron doesn't have to potential to be The GOAT one day.

You can't compare their scoring averages cause they arent the same type of players simple as that. Lebron is more of a pass first/all around player than MJ was.

but if you think that he can't average 30+ a game with EASE, i don't know what to tell ya breh.

 

[Batter Up]

barkley must be going senile

 

[nieman]

But Lebron isn't the greatest in any facet of his game. We have seen much better shooters, scorers, passers, rebounders, defenders. We have seen players with better ball-handling, on-the ball defenders. We have also seen those players with more rings, IF that's where you want to take it. The only difference is that Lebron is the only one that was able to do it at his size. But Seriously, Bird put up better numbers than Lebron, including assists. O averaged a triple double, Lebron has far less triple-doubles than Kidd had by this time, hell he only has about 5 more than Grant Hill.

Lebron is the best athlete in an athletic game; probably the best athlete ever seen. But basketball wise, he's not better than MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Kobe, Shaq, Dream, Duncan, Moses...then we have the argument-Greats like Mailman, Barkley, Ewing, Admiral, Zeke, Stockton, Clyde, KG, Logo, Rick Barry, Dr J, McHale...

 

[ghostwriterx]

But Lebron isn't the greatest in any facet of his game. We have seen much better shooters, scorers, passers, rebounders, defenders. We have seen players with better ball-handling, on-the ball defenders. We have also seen those players with more rings, IF that's where you want to take it. The only difference is that Lebron is the only one that was able to do it at his size. But Seriously, Bird put up better numbers than Lebron, including assists. O averaged a triple double, Lebron has far less triple-doubles than Kidd had by this time, hell he only has about 5 more than Grant Hill.

Lebron is the best athlete in an athletic game; probably the best athlete ever seen. But basketball wise, he's not better than MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Kobe, Shaq, Dream, Duncan, Moses...then we have the argument-Greats like Mailman, Barkley, Ewing, Admiral, Zeke, Stockton, Clyde, KG, Logo, Rick Barry, Dr J, McHale...

Not sure what the point of your post is? What do triple doubles have to do with anything? Stockton and Clyde are arguably better than Lebron?

 

[Ronnie Lott]

But Lebron isn't the greatest in any facet of his game. We have seen much better shooters, scorers, passers, rebounders, defenders. We have seen players with better ball-handling, on-the ball defenders. We have also seen those players with more rings, IF that's where you want to take it. The only difference is that Lebron is the only one that was able to do it at his size. But Seriously, Bird put up better numbers than Lebron, including assists. O averaged a triple double, Lebron has far less triple-doubles than Kidd had by this time, hell he only has about 5 more than Grant Hill.

Lebron is the best athlete in an athletic game; probably the best athlete ever seen. But basketball wise, he's not better than MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Kobe, Shaq, Dream, Duncan, Moses...then we have the argument-Greats like Mailman, Barkley, Ewing, Admiral, Zeke, Stockton, Clyde, KG, Logo, Rick Barry, Dr J, McHale...

I seriously can't understand how u could possibly say that Bird, isaiah, stockton, rick barry, mchale, ewing, barley are better than Lebron. Cmon man. Seriously

 

[nieman]

Not sure what the point of your post is? What do triple doubles have to do with anything? Stockton and Clyde are arguably better than Lebron?

My argument is what does Lebron have/do that makes him a contender for GOAT? His best skill is his athleticism for his size. If thats the case, than Iverson has to be as equal a contender for GOAT. His 2nd best skill is court awareness. How do these things translate to being the best player you have ever seen? His other stats/skills - shooting, passing, scoring, rebounding have all been eclipsed by players that were equal or better. So now you bring in the rings since MVP awards have been skewed over the years. 1 vs multiples for others.

 

[villain]

My argument is what does Lebron have/do that makes him a contender for GOAT? His best skill is his athleticism for his size. If thats the case, than Iverson has to be as equal a contender for GOAT. His 2nd best skill is court awareness. How do these things translate to being the best player you have ever seen? His other stats/skills - shooting, passing, scoring, rebounding have all been eclipsed by players that were equal or better. So now you bring in the rings since MVP awards have been skewed over the years. 1 vs multiples for others.

I don't think you understand what size, strength and speed does for a player like Bron.
You're just writing it off like "oh well, who cares that he's bigger, stronger, and faster than 100% of guys at his position historically" Do you even understand what that means?

This is about individual skill, and less about stats. I see a lot of people in the coli have no idea what makes a skilled player and only know about certain stats and accolades. Lebron is in the top 1% of skilled players in NBA history easily. Of course other players will shoot better, pass better, rebound better, score better...INDIVIDUALLY...but how many players do ALL OF THAT as well as Bron? - not many.

This is a big reason why nikkas think Magic is the goat. He had great size, strength and speed and was able to do a lot of things very well

 

[Malta]

But Lebron isn't the greatest in any facet of his game. We have seen much better shooters, scorers, passers, rebounders, defenders. We have seen players with better ball-handling, on-the ball defenders. We have also seen those players with more rings, IF that's where you want to take it. The only difference is that Lebron is the only one that was able to do it at his size. But Seriously, Bird put up better numbers than Lebron, including assists. O averaged a triple double, Lebron has far less triple-doubles than Kidd had by this time, hell he only has about 5 more than Grant Hill.

LeBron has the highest assist per game average (season) for a forward in the history of the game, so please explain when Bird got more assists than him. You talk about all these other players that were better, please name all those that combined everything into one package. You can make a case for him being one of the best scorers, one of the best passers, one of the best defenders in the league. No player has ever been the best at every damn thing, you're using a silly criteria. Michael Jordan was never the best shooter or passer in the league, but he was a jack of all trades and very good at a lot of things, which is what LeBron is.

Lebron is the best athlete in an athletic game; probably the best athlete ever seen. But basketball wise, he's not better than MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Kobe, Shaq, Dream, Duncan, Moses...then we have the argument-Greats like Mailman, Barkley, Ewing, Admiral, Zeke, Stockton, Clyde, KG, Logo, Rick Barry, Dr J, McHale...

I don't care how athletic you are, you're not putting up LeBron's numbers without great basketball skill. To sit here and act like he isn't skilled is a joke, if it were all about athleticism James Johnson and Gerald Green would be all-stars. This is Shaq all over again, the less informed think he had no skill, and just look past all the footwork and post moves and just saw a big dude. That very same thing is happening with LeBron.

 

[Bolzmark]

It doesn't pale in comparison when you weigh in how much of a better passer and orchestrator of an offense Lebron is compared to MJ.

Ones offensive game isn't strictly tied to scoring.

Its a mistake to think Bron is a much better passer than MJ. Bron is really a point-forward. He's looked at to distribute the ball a little more. And thats what he prefers...which is why he received so much criticism for those games on both the Cavs and Heat for giving up the rock in clutch tim at the end of games.

Orchestrator of an offense? You are getting carried away because they just won the 'ship...but where was that orchestraton just last year against the Mavs in the Finals? You aint NEVER seen a Jordan led Bulls team look that inept in the playoffs ESPECIALLY the Finals.

 

[Luke Cage]

LeBron has the highest assist per game average (season) for a forward in the history of the game, so please explain when Bird got more assists than him. You talk about all these other players that were better, please name all those that combined everything into one package. You can make a case for him being one of the best scorers, one of the best passers, one of the best defenders in the league. No player has ever been the best at every damn thing, you're using a silly criteria. Michael Jordan was never the best shooter or passer in the league, but he was a jack of all trades and very good at a lot of things, which is what LeBron is.




I don't care how athletic you are, you're not putting up LeBron's numbers without great basketball skill. To sit here and act like he isn't skilled is a joke, if it were all about athleticism James Johnson and Gerald Green would be all-stars. This is Shaq all over again, the less informed think he had no skill, and just look past all the footwork and post moves and just saw a big dude. That very same thing is happening with LeBron.

Lebron's career assist average is 6. Larry birds career average over twice as many season's is 6.3. and i doubt either one of them holds the record for a forward. but obviously lebron can't because he has less than larry.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I accidentally +repped this clown nieman and pushed him to full green.

Please feel free to neg him to make up for that and I'll be sure to correct my own mistake in the next few days.

 

[Malta]

Lebron's career assist average is 6. Larry birds career average over twice as many season's is 6.3. and i doubt either one of them holds the record for a forward. but obviously lebron can't because he has less than larry.

Put the weed down and learn to read.

LeBron has the highest assist per game average (season) for a forward in the history of the game

http://www.basketball-reference.com...=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ast_per_g

In 2010 LeBron averaged 8.6 assists per game, the highest ever for a Forward. Also, LeBron is at 6.9 assists per game which is more than Bird.

 

[Still Benefited]

How Bron better than Jordan when he ain't better than Magic who only ain't considered better than Jordan cuz AIDs got em...Magic woulda got at least 2 or 3 more titles if he ain't have to bow out.