Barkley Says LeBron Not Up There With Jordan and Kobe

[GunRanger]

Nikka you’re full of sh*t.

Whats the difference. Both gary and malone averaged 20 the year before. What is the difference? Nash and dwight were all stars the year before.


Yall call the 2020 lakers a super team when it was just AD and Bron. But somehow those lakers teams dont fit the bill

 

[Ozymandeas]

Whats the difference. Both gary and malone averaged 20 the year before. What is the difference? Nash and dwight were all stars the year before.


Yall call the 2020 lakers a super team when it was just AD and Bron. But somehow those lakers teams dont fit the bill

Nah bruh. Not doing this with you. You know you trolling. Have a good night bruh.

 

[GunRanger]

Nah bruh. Not doing this with you. You know you trolling. Have a good night bruh.

No fukk that. Yall just like playing dumb and being hypocrites.

 

[madness]

Kobe tried to do just that


Not only did he already have shaq, but they added gary payton and malone.

Kobe got Nash and Dwight in the same offseason


Kobe tried to recruit Melo.

Kobe tried to recruit Prime Dirk too

Kobe Bryant Reveals He Once Tried to Recruit Dirk Nowitzki to Lakers

 

[Professor Emeritus]

oh so he wasnt the best player on his team, but he was still top 5 in the NBA at 22 years old hitting all the clutch shots while Shaq fouled out and clanked FTs and showed up the training camp out of shape.....and his team was "stacked" even tho the rest of the squad was old ass bums and Horry/Fish hitting one clutch shot a year

"hitting all the clutch shots" - another lie.

Here are all the close games in the WCF and Finals that year - Kobe didn't do jack shyt in the clutch in 5 out of 6 of them:



Game 4 WCF: Horry hits the game-winning 3 after Kobe misses the jumper. Shaq had scored the previous 2 points to get the Lakers within 1. In the last 5 minutes Horry had 6, Shaq had 4, and Kobe had 4.

Game 5 WCF: Kobe misses 4 straight shots in the last 2 minutes. The first three would have put the Lakers up by 3, the last one was for the game. Kobe is 1-8 in the final five minutes and Lakers lose by 1.

Game 6 WCF: The last two Laker field goals are both made by Shaq. Kobe's last field goal comes with 7:29 left in the game. Until the Kings started intentionally fouling, scoring in the last 5 minutes was Shaq 4, Fox 4, Horry 2, and Kobe 2.

Game 7 WCF: Last two field goals in regulation were made by Shaq and Horry. Kobe and Shaq both miss free throws in the final minute and then miss tip-ins that would have won the game. In overtime Shaq has 6 and Fisher has 4, Kobe doesn't score until an intentional foul with the game over.

Game 1 Finals: Kobe's last bucket comes with 9:04 left. Shaq and Fox score the last buckets for the Lakers. In the last 5 minutes Shaq has 8, Fox has 5, and Fisher has 2.

Game 3 Finals: Kobe (twice), Shaq, and Horry all hit big jumpers late. In the last 5 minutes Shaq has 4, Kobe has 4, Horry has 3, George has 2, and Fox has 2.



That's it. That's all the close games in the WCF/Finals. It's a total bullshyt narrative that Kobe hit all the clutch shots, in reality he BARELY hit any clutch shots at all in big games. Shaq, Horry, and Fox all hit more big shots late than Kobe did that year.

I already proved the same thing was true in 2000 Finals....your narrative is dying one year at a time.

 

[Rice N Beans]

Simply put, Jordan destroyed his competition where LeBron teamed up with them. Same with Durant.

 

[wtfyomom]

Kobe shooting percentage is trash for a player that is considered goat. kobe is not close to lebron or jordan

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It’s recency bias. Bron is still playing and he just won last year. When he retires people gonna look at his career more clearly and his flaws are going to stick out more crudely. Especially when the next real GOAT comes in.

Breh you can't say this seriously.

Imagine ANYONE coming without bias and thinking "flaws" when they see Bron's career. Media and social media narratives have hurt Bron more than anything, that's not gonna mean jack shyt in 2035.


When Bron retires folk are gonna see at least 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs (only MJ has done it), absolutely incredible stats, and about 20-25 amazing playoff games that are gonna play on NBA Classic over and over. They're gonna see a guy who could power inside AND win games with jumpers, a guy who could defend anyone on the floor, and that the all-time scoring leader was somehow also the best passer in the game. They're gonna see the greatest athlete in the NBA and the greatest basketball IQ in the NBA combined into one player.

When Bron retires no one is going to think that Bosh/Wade, Kyrie, or AD diminish Bron's accomplishments any more than Kareem/Worthy/Wilkes or Tiny/Parish/McHale/DJ or Pippen/Rodman/Phil diminish Magic, Bird, and MJ's accomplishments. They're not gonna focus on the blip in 2011 any more than people remember Magic playing the worst elimination game ever and getting upset by a losing squad in '81 or playing with both hands around his neck and earning the "Tragic Johnson" nickname in '84. They're not going to remember Bron's "can't win the big one" or "not clutch" narratives any more than they remember Jordan being labeled the "great individual scorer who doesn't play winning basketball" all the way until he was 29.

Those of you who still denigrate Bron are gonna keep getting saltier and saltier as time goes on. The tide turned years ago, he's already universally considered top-3 all-time and after retirement he's never going to fall below that.

 

[Illin Degenerate]

Barkley's squad at 29: Barkley (HOF), Kevin Johnson (All-star), Dan Majerle (All-star), Tom Chambers (All-star), Cedric Ceballos (All-star)

cmon you know ceballos hadnt yet made an all star team. kj had made 2 at that point but didnt make it the year before though he was still obviously an all star caliber player in his prime. majerle made his first all star team the year before the barkley trade. chambers was a 4x all star but he didnt make the all star team the year before and his production was dropping significantly each year leading up to the trade. still solid the year before but his scoring went from 27 to 20 to 16.

barkley definitely put himself in better situations twice landing on contending teams but in either instance i dont think he stacked the deck in his favor.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Simply put, Jordan destroyed his competition where LeBron teamed up with them. Same with Durant.

When the fukk were Wade, Kyrie, or AD ever serious competition for LeBron?

Bron never ONCE faced a single one of those guys in a playoff series. After 2006 there wasn't even a single season where any of them had fielded a competitive team in the playoffs.


Wade in the 4 years before joining Bron: zero playoff series wins
Kyrie in the 4 years before joining Bron: zero playoff appearances
A.D. in the 4 years before joining Bron: just one playoff appearance

How can Bron "destroy" competition that hardly ever even sees the postseason?

 

[McPiff]

I wish I could ban all you fakkits

Bron really bring out the worst out of y’all.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

cmon you know ceballos hadnt yet made an all star team. kj had made 2 at that point but didnt make it the year before though he was still obviously an all star caliber player in his prime. majerle made his first all star team the year before the barkley trade. chambers was a 4x all star but he didnt make the all star team the year before and his production was dropping significantly each year leading up to the trade. still solid the year before but his scoring went from 27 to 20 to 16.

barkley definitely put himself in better situations twice landing on contending teams but in either instance i dont think he stacked the deck in his favor.

Barkley was a HOFer in his prime
KJ was an All-star in his prime averaging 21 and 11 the previous 4 years
Majerle was an All-star in his prime and All-Defensive selection
Richard Dumas averaged 16ppg
Chambers was a 4x All-star who still played well averaging 12ppg
Ceballos was already averaging 13ppg and became borderline all-star/20ppg scorer the next year
Danny Ainge was a former all-star and smart vet still averaging 12ppg

All 7 of those guys averaged 12ppg or more in Barkley's first year on the team. Seven-deep that team was just as stacked as any squad Bron was on. The claim that Bron "stacked the deck in his favor" is ridiculous cause there wasn't a single year where Bron didn't have to ball out to carry his team to a title, and this year ain't any different.

And that ignores the triple-HOF teams that Barkley ran to make at ages 33 and 35, younger than Bron is now or even than Bron was when he first got AD.

"Stacked the deck in your favor" only makes sense if a player can be average and still win a title. That's never been true for Bron.

 

[waltthizzney]

LeThotties love to ignore the eye test

no real hooper puts bron above Kobe

 

[Professor Emeritus]

LeThotties love to ignore the eye test

no real hooper puts bron above Kobe

They had a poll of over 100 active NBA players a couple years ago and most had MJ as the GOAT, but Bron was 2nd and Kobe only 3rd. And that was before Bron's 4th title.

 

[Gangstar8]

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