Barkley Says LeBron Not Up There With Jordan and Kobe

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Bron up there easy…. Chuck just don’t wanna see Bron get more rings

 

[JJ Lions]

How can you say teammate quality matters but opponent quality doesn't? You realize that's disingenuous as hell, right?

Bron and MJ both had to put up similar performances to win their titles. And Bron and MJ both were putting up huge #'s while still getting beat by dominant teams when they weren't winning titles. The only big difference is that MJ only had to face the Celtics and Pistons and then didn't face another dominant team for his entire prime (unless you count the Magic who beat him in '95 before succumbing to injuries in '96). Whereas Bron had to face an entire string of dominant title teams across his entire career with the Pistons, Spurs, Celtics, and then Warriors.

You're trying to be slick again. With MJ you just listed Eastern Conference teams. With Lebron you listed both Conferences to make it seem more of a road to travel. Now add in the Western teams they beat in the Finals. Didn't you also mention Steph underperforming during the Finals? Why his teammates were winning MVPs?

And you keep dodging my other question.

Do you think the Eastern Conference was tougher during the Jordan years or the Lebron years?

 

[Osmosis]

Again, you like to pretend Lebron was all alone in those 4 championships, forget the other all-stars he was playing with. Forget Bosh, Wade, AD, Kyrie, Love..... And forget the 6 Finals losses. And in 2016 he had Kyrie and Love, did he not? Kyrie averaged 25 points in that series, more than Pippen averaged.

And whatever era you're playing in, you're playing against the best, it's the NBA. 6-0

Jordan played in a worse league on better teams. Simple as that. His team won 60 games without him

 

[JJ Lions]

Jordan played in a worse league on better teams. Simple as that. His team won 60 games without him

Without him - 0 rings.

 

[Methodical]

He's totally right. Everybody knows this.

LeBron isn't even above over Magic Johnson too.

 

[10bandz]

Sorry about the typo, you knew I mean '97 not '98.

Was that your only response to Kobe sucking ass in elimination games in '03, '04, '06, '07, '08, and '11 too?


And you completely ignored that Kobe's best Finals series doesn't even make Bron's top-5.

03 is after a 3 peat and nikkas was burnt out and Kobe was doing good in the elimination game until the whole team ran out of steam in the 4th

04 only game we won in the Finals was cuz of Kobe

06 was already explained and were a 7th seed

07 we were a 7th seed with Luke Walton and Kwame in the lineup

08 we werent even supposed to make the playoffs and kobe had em #1 in the West before we even got Pau.

11 burnt out after 3 finals appearances and kobe had a fukked up knee

Kobe roasted the Western Conference for years, he didnt get to chill the first two rounds every season like Bron

Whether Kobe played bad or good he came to play unlike Bron who threw a parade before the 2011 season and was making fun of Dirk during the Finals and got spooked by JJ Barea and Jason Terry. When did Kobe ever mock his opponents like a little ass nikka?

What Kobe did to the Spurs in 2001 beats anything Bron ever did in the playoffs besides 2016 but Kyrie hit the big shot

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're trying to be slick again. With MJ you just listed Eastern Conference teams. With Lebron you listed both Conferences to make it seem more of a road to travel.

I only listed the Celtics and Pistons cause those were the only dominant squads that MJ ever faced. Name ONE western squad that MJ ever had to play against who was dominant?

'91 Lakers weren't even supposed to make the Finals and then Worthy got hurt
'92 Blazers were habitual chokers
'93 Suns were a no-defense team that never even made it past the 2nd round in any other season
'96 Sonics had lost in the 1st round the previous year and never got past the 2nd round again
'97/'98 Jazz were 35yo habitual losers who had never once made a Finals until everyone else aged out

NONE of those teams were stacked champions like the Pistons, Spurs, Celtics, and Warriors.

And you keep dodging my other question.

Do you think the Eastern Conference was tougher during the Jordan years or the Lebron years?

You don't win titles by winning the Eastern Conference. No one here is propping up Bron's 10 Eastern Conference titles as if that makes him superior to MJ, so Eastern Conference difficulty is irrelevant. The question is always who the best squads were that you had to beat.

And after IT got hurt, the best teams MJ had to beat in the East were the Knicks and the Pacers. Teams that never really did jack shyt. When MJ retired in '93 and then again in '98, did any of those tough Eastern Conference opponents proceed to win titles?

 

[10bandz]

Jordan played in a worse league on better teams. Simple as that. His team won 60 games without him

they won 55 games and thats cuz the Bulls were able to build an actual system around MJ, whereas Bron's teams were built to be helpless without him. Y'all not gonna hold it against MJ cuz he bought into PJ's system

 

[ROFL_GUY]

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  • Odds: Magic +550 / Cavaliers -700

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They won't understand ..

-700

Like Alabama cfb odds

 

[ajnapoleon]

So don't try to fill holes in your team?





Every time a title favorite gets better its a issue to him


Is that not the point


I have a theory that he upset he never had a front office go this hard for him



I could be wrong


The Suns made trades right?

The rockets made trades right?

He was out the league by 33 I belive


Whats the issues


He was made at the dubs for shooting 3's

He was mad a the cavs for trading assets

He was made at the cp3 to Houston trade

He was mad at the Westbrook to Houston trade

He didn't bytch about the AD to the Lakers because he didn't think it was gonna work


He was only mad when it did



He just mad at everything that works

 

[brick james]

they won 55 games and thats cuz the Bulls were able to build an actual system around MJ, whereas Bron's teams were built to be helpless without him. Y'all not gonna hold it against MJ cuz he bought into PJ's system

Wait, they built a system around MJ, but when MJ left, instead of the system collapsing or being exposed, they won 55 games? Couldn't a lesser player have been subbed into MJ's role in said system, and they still win a few chips?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

They won't understand ..

I'm a Magic fan FWIW I went to the game where we clinched the finals. I remember us somehow being the underdog and it made no sense. We never should've been an underdog we dominated the Cavs during the regular season and were built perfectly to beat them. Those odds never made sense to me or some of my friends who liked to sports bet at the time.

 

[bigde09]

Bron stans need to accept the fact that he will never be considered better than jordan. It will never happen that ship sailed in 2011

 

[JP_614]

I'm a Magic fan FWIW I went to the game where we clinched the finals. I remember us somehow being the underdog and it made no sense. We never should've been an underdog we dominated the Cavs during the regular season and were built perfectly to beat them. Those odds never made sense to me or some of my friends who liked to sports bet at the time.

I remember those regular season games and I remember you guys beat us at home Dwight had a game with like 4 points and 22 rebounds.

 

[Broad Street Bully]

@10bandz cleaning up in this thread