Being Black and Being Gay: The Difference

[posterchild336]

In a nutshell, being gay, you have more rights than being black...Its almost as being black and having rights are a privilege. If you are gay and speak out you are acting out on rights, if you are black and speak out you it is considered a revolt!

 

[RickyGQ]

I have a question, someone here said that we enjoy sex because it encourages procreation and it got me thinking, are there any homosexuals that are strictly the "receiver" while the other in the relationship is strictly the "giver". Cause of that isn't so, there is a lot of validity to the idea that it may not be "natural".

 

[DaChampIsHere]

The biggest difference is that black people pass on their melanin to their children...gays do not pass on their sexual orientation to their children (Whether adopted, or in rare cases, biological).This is a massive discrepancy that people seem to understate.

Being black is a *heritage*, something that our ancestors inherited and that we will pass on to our children.

Being gay is just....a numerical occurrence. A statistical anomaly...completely random.

The gay community is tied together through human culture....the black community is tied together through BLOOD.

Now I'm not saying that gays don't have their struggles...but give me a fukking break. Their fight isn't as righteous as ours.

If anything the fact that you have people who will always stick by you no matter what, because of your blood, while a gay person has no refuge until they are able to find courage and come out makes being gay seem pretty hard.

I used to not think they were similar as well, but then I had a very close friend of mine come out and basically state that he feels just as impacted by his sexuality as he does his race. Your average person may not be able to see it, but there are some pretty big psychological effects. From the time you are a girl/boy, you are always bombarded with the obligation (if you're gay) or expectation of be married to someone of the opposite sex. That can create some extreme internal conflicts when you're going through puberty or through life in general trying to figure out how to cope with something you've felt your whole life being seen as wrong. And if you're closeted, you pretty much have no one to talk with and share those feelings and you're basically a shell of a whole human because you can't act like everyone else and just be yourself. There is no safe zone for you. I can come home to my black family and express my concerns, gays basically have to bottle all of that up 24/7 and even when they are out, they still can't be themselves around everybody.

Also, when you considered the very homophobic tones of the black community, it makes things even worse for black gays considering that the black community is way worse on gays and lesbians than the white community.

So yeah, I do get being gay can seem just as hard for some. It's funny that your average black person does not even associate with white gay men that much, but that's the image we choose to associate with the gay community, instead of thinking about allllll of the many women and men who are black like us going through some terrible psychological conflicts. It's crazy that hate for white people who couldn't care less about you impedes some black peoples ability to allow equality in our own community. I also find it funny that many black people on here condemn the black church so much, but when it comes down to it, the only reason many black people have a problem with it is because of doctrine they've learned from the black church. Pick and choose ass nikkas.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

all discrimination is in the same ballpark, but no the struggles are not the same. there are some similiraties, though. such as people viewing both groups as subhuman and an abomination to god. many places will also fire/not hire you for both of these reasons. an interesting argument about segregation could be made, too. and while it does not even begin to equate with african slavery, gay people are being captured and murdered the world over because of who they are, not what they do. gay struggle is not the same as the black struggle, but i still think it's ironic to ignore the parallels. while i respect your well stated opinion, OP it's sounds like you want a monopoly on discrimination.

This.

 

[RickyGQ]

Anytime anyone relates anything to the black experience it's met an automatic ,even if I empathize with their plight; That shyt truly disgusts me


I do believe that discrimination against anybody, sweet people included, is a civil liberties issue, but it shouldn't be painted in parallel to black

Reminds me of the very true joke that Patrice O'neals has of other ethnicities trying to get our status as "most oppressed" and us not letting it happen.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

I have a question, someone here said that we enjoy sex because it encourages procreation

And you took this as the gospel. That was your first mistake.

and it got me thinking, are there any homosexuals that are strictly the "receiver" while the other in the relationship is strictly the "giver". Cause of that isn't so, there is a lot of validity to the idea that it may not be "natural".

This was your second mistake.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

And you took this as the gospel. That was your first mistake.



This was your second mistake.

That is the stupidest defense ever. And people actually use it several times over.

I guess women who are unable to procreate or men with low sperm counts shouldn't be able to have sex either, nor should we have sex for pleasure, since it's only meant for reproduction.

 

[RickyGQ]

If anything the fact that you have people who will always stick by you no matter what, because of your blood, while a gay person has no refuge until they are able to find courage and come out makes being gay seem pretty hard.

I used to not think they were similar as well, but then I had a very close friend of mine come out and basically state that he feels just as impacted by his sexuality as he does his race. Your average person may not be able to see it, but there are some pretty big psychological effects. From the time you are a girl/boy, you are always bombarded with the obligation (if you're gay) or expectation of be married to someone of the opposite sex. That can create some extreme internal conflicts when you're going through puberty or through life in general trying to figure out how to cope with something you've felt your whole life being seen as wrong. And if you're closeted, you pretty much have no one to talk with and share those feelings and you're basically a shell of a whole human because you can't act like everyone else and just be yourself. There is no safe zone for you. I can come home to my black family and express my concerns, gays basically have to bottle all of that up 24/7 and even when they are out, they still can't be themselves around everybody.

Also, when you considered the very homophobic tones of the black community, it makes things even worse for black gays considering that the black community is way worse on gays and lesbians than the white community.

So yeah, I do get being gay can seem just as hard for some. It's funny that your average black person does not even associate with white gay men that much, but that's the image we choose to associate with the gay community, instead of thinking about allllll of the many women and men who are black like us going through some terrible psychological conflicts. It's crazy that hate for white people who couldn't care less about you impedes some black peoples ability to allow equality in our own community. I also find it funny that many black people on here condemn the black church so much, but when it comes down to it, the only reason many black people have a problem with it is because of doctrine they've learned from the black church. Pick and choose ass nikkas.

I agreed with everything you said except the homophobia in the black community. I fukking hate that myth. Every black person I know has a beloved gay member of their family. My girl family is deeply religious and has several gay and lesbian cousins who are well accepted. It's a white rhetoric that's based on bullshyt. Like blaming the marginal ass black vote on prop 8.

 

[RickyGQ]

And you took this as the gospel. That was your first mistake.



This was your second mistake.

Good talk.

 

[RickyGQ]

That is the stupidest defense ever. And people actually use it several times over.

I guess women who are unable to procreate or men with low sperm counts shouldn't be able to have sex either, nor should we have sex for pleasure, since it's only meant for reproduction.

He said that pleasure encourages it. Meaning having it be enjoyable would result in us doing it more than just for procreation, which would in turn increase the likelihood of it.
Come on fellas, I'm able to use basic critical thinking. I suggest we all do so in this interesting debate.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

I agreed with everything you said except the homophobia in the black community. I fukking hate that myth. Every black person I know has a beloved gay member of their family. My girl family is deeply religious and has several gay and lesbian cousins who are well accepted. It's a white rhetoric that's based on bullshyt. Like blaming the marginal ass black vote on prop 8.

For some people perhaps, but for a lot of people, I don't think so. Also, consider where you are from, the north east, more than likely a well populated city. I feel as though shyt gets completely different when you move down south or to the midwest (a lot of people from souther backgrounds).

I even consider my mom and dad to be very friendly and accepting people, but even they still have problems with people being gay. And jsut because a family member may be loved doesn't mean they aren't looked at as different or that people. When many of our parents and elders die off, I would hope sentiments would change, but I can log on here any day of the week with ease and find people my age saying the same ish so I don't think so.

Black people love to say anything that puts us in a bad light is a "myth". We are going to act like DL blacks don't exist (and therefore killing people with AIDS). Like rap music doesn't display disdain for gays (and women). Like black people aren't eerily close to their "faith" even when they aren't necessarily practicing religion. Ok. It's all a myth.

He said that pleasure encourages it.

No, read your quote, what you typed yourself, again.

"we enjoy sex because it encourages procreation". In a place where very few of us want to get married and none of us want baby mamas, what part of sex is ever encouraged by procreation?

No one here had sex or lost their virginity because they wanted to have a baby, consciously or subconsciously. Many of us only have sex for the first time (a) out of social pressure (b) curiousity. Procreation is the furthest thing from our mind.

 

[RickyGQ]

As far as regions go, I'd be hard pressed to believe that a southern white would be more likely to be accepting of a gay person than a souther black. My point wasn't that blacks were more accepting but that they weren't as a whole less accepting. Homophobia is an America epidemic, not just an African American one. Using rap music is a tactic I'd expect from a white person. That doesn't represent the black community as a whole in the slightest. Of you said rap music was homophobic I could agree.

As far as sexual pleasure, I'm talking about the biological urge for sex, not a conscious decision. Your point of men with low sperm counts doesn't necessarily refute the fact that sexual pleasure could have a evolutionary purpose.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Using rap music is a tactic I'd expect from a white person. That doesn't represent the black community as a whole in the slightest.
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You are saying this now to win an argument but I bet you have done the following or have probably co-signed the following: (a) Drake being wack cause he's mixed and raised by his white mom (b) Macklemore appropriating black culture/not being a legit rapper (c) the Grammy's or some other award shows not awarding black rappers in favor of white rappers.

Believe it or not, rap has created/promoted a great level of misogyny in our community. (notice you didn't touch this point) Are you saying it's impossible for such to have had a big impact on the way people feel about their sexuality?

As far as sexual pleasure, I'm talking about the biological urge for sex, not a conscious decision. Your point of men with low sperm counts doesn't necessarily refute the fact that sexual pleasure could have a evolutionary purpose.

You have a biological urge to release sexual tension. Not have a baby. Releasing sexual tension doesn't = having a baby. Notice that you can't say "biological urge to have a baby". Only "biological urge for sex". Are you somehow implying that if you are attracted to the same sex, you're biological urge to bust a nut ain't never gonna pop up?

There's no evolutionary purpose to sex feeling good. I'm pretty sure sex has always felt good. Don't people like feeling good? Ok. Y'all actin' like y'all the first group of people who ever thought an orgasm was the shyt and wanted to have some more of 'em.

 

[Rawtid]

I have a problem with people being openly gay in public, more so now that I'm a parent. My daughter has asked me "is that a man or a woman?" She has also asked why is that boy wearing girls clothing. That's really difficult to explain to your child.

Not to mention people swap sexuality like draws. Chicks been dating men all their life then they become gay and get a girlfriend that looks like their last boyfriend. Dudes are fukking both men and women and as long as they identify themselves as "bi-sexual" it's ok. Man, fukk that.

It's just really not acceptable(to me) to switch sexualities as you please and not only that enter in sexual relationships with any gender that you want. We have enough disease sharing between straight couples.

 

[mrken12]

I agreed with everything you said except the homophobia in the black community. I fukking hate that myth. Every black person I know has a beloved gay member of their family. My girl family is deeply religious and has several gay and lesbian cousins who are well accepted. It's a white rhetoric that's based on bullshyt. Like blaming the marginal ass black vote on prop 8.

I agree. The black community has some of the most flamboyant gay people that you'll see. The black church has tons of gay people in there.

Using rap music is a tactic I'd expect from a white person. That doesn't represent the black community as a whole in the slightest. Of you said rap music was homophobic I could agree.

Homophobia is hardly a problem in rap music. I don't really know where that came from.