Being Black and Being Gay: The Difference
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Do you watch the news? Like...at all?
Here you go again caping for some people who don't give a fukk about you and have no problem being racist towards you.
You people keep saying that I hate homosexuals.
I really don't. I have beloved family members that are gay. I simply don't approve comparing black skin to homosexual tendencies.
And it could be argued that gays choose to struggle by parading their sexual preference, even in the face of those morally opposed to it.
So your saying the right thing for gays to do is to only act queer infront of other gays and accepting heterosexuals... man i dont know why i click these threads... this shyt does my head in... the whole 'black vs gay' shyt is a fukkin scheme to keep the black community pre-occupied anyways fukk it.
And people using less developed countries as proof of harsh gay discrimination are just going for easy targets.
now this thread is worthy of stars. i think that everybody here has some legit input on the subject and i appreciate the candor. let's just not make that our vanity. sooo...
i can't speak for everyone but i actually do care about what goes on in other countries, especially when it concerns gay/black people. i won't deny where my heart lay when it comes to these issues. and to whom it may concern: i find it funny that i am the only out queer african american in this conversation. some consider it to be a private matter, gay or straight. fine.
when you talk about the people that compare gay rights to black rights, i'm willing to bet they are not openly homosexual. with that being said, a lot of this misunderstanding *cough* bigotry *ahem* is brought on by the media or a group of people that doesn't give a fukk about either of us. we are special interests.
. admit that. that's ok! neither does any self actualized homosexual citizen with any sense. 
i'm not entirely sure of your stance on the situation because the simple fact that 'they' actually view we black men as less than a white homo. @Elle Driver made an excellent point before about the difference between white gays and black gays.
i honestly don't believe or know if you hate homosexual people. and yes, that argument could be made. however, it would be very hard to prove that case without being rooted in prejudice.
and here's a point to consider, brothers--
as a queer black man, do you think that i am not outraged by how the media has distorted civil rights. the struggle for rights was become a competition for ratings. instead of being mad that people are comparing the failed genocide/enslavement of african decendents to that of the LGBTAQ community, we should be mad that we're being made a mockery of. the end result is nothing but someone else's pockets being lined.
"AND A WHITE MAN GET PAID OFF OF ALL OF THAT..."
where i respected the T/S opinion because it was respectful, i now have to renig. the real gay struggle is the same as the real black stuggle, for gay black men. you don't want to be marginalized and neither do we. :cambeezus:
you want to talk about hardship or being exploited, the gay black male as been exploited almost to the point of our black women. in fact, gay black men shine so much that all of american steals from US.
do you really think it's the straight men that are coming up with these trends in fashion, popular music and slang? it is black gay culture that has defined entertainment for at least the last 30 years. a lot of men are in effect, just showing their jealously when they try to downplay our impact. you are paying the hatred foward and the only thing you have to say for yourselves is something that a white man said about you half a century ago.
honestly, my nikka
for you to even speak on the gay struggle is overstepping your boundaries. you aren't about this life 
.
there are things about this world that you don't even come close to understanding. the racism, misogyny, and self hate among the gay community is beyond anything you will even care to know.
sorry for any typos. i'd be happy to clarify.
i can't speak for everyone but i actually do care about what goes on in other countries, especially when it concerns gay/black people. i won't deny where my heart lay when it comes to these issues. and to whom it may concern: i find it funny that i am the only out queer african american in this conversation. some consider it to be a private matter, gay or straight. fine.
when you talk about the people that compare gay rights to black rights, i'm willing to bet they are not openly homosexual. with that being said, a lot of this misunderstanding *cough* bigotry *ahem* is brought on by the media or a group of people that doesn't give a fukk about either of us. we are special interests.
oh so you're actually worried about what 'they' think? you just don't want to be lumped into a category that includes sissies"How can you be against gay people? Aren't you black?
is racism
They're showing their true colors
. admit that. that's ok! neither does any self actualized homosexual citizen with any sense. i'm not entirely sure of your stance on the situation because the simple fact that 'they' actually view we black men as less than a white homo. @Elle Driver made an excellent point before about the difference between white gays and black gays.they're making it look pretty damn easy.Unless some dude is walking down the street with booty shorts and a shirt that says "TASTE THE RAINBOW" How in the hell would I know if he like likes men or not?
Kinda hard to actively discriminate against a group of people who generally speaking don't necessarily have a distinct look to them as someone of a different race would.
you must be trolling OP! "i have a black friend" much?You people keep saying that I hate homosexuals.
I really don't. I have beloved family members that are gay. I simply don't approve comparing black skin to homosexual tendencies.
And it could be argued that gays choose to struggle by parading their sexual preference, even in the face of those morally opposed to it.
i honestly don't believe or know if you hate homosexual people. and yes, that argument could be made. however, it would be very hard to prove that case without being rooted in prejudice.
and here's a point to consider, brothers--
as a queer black man, do you think that i am not outraged by how the media has distorted civil rights. the struggle for rights was become a competition for ratings. instead of being mad that people are comparing the failed genocide/enslavement of african decendents to that of the LGBTAQ community, we should be mad that we're being made a mockery of. the end result is nothing but someone else's pockets being lined.
"AND A WHITE MAN GET PAID OFF OF ALL OF THAT..."
where i respected the T/S opinion because it was respectful, i now have to renig. the real gay struggle is the same as the real black stuggle, for gay black men. you don't want to be marginalized and neither do we. :cambeezus:
you want to talk about hardship or being exploited, the gay black male as been exploited almost to the point of our black women. in fact, gay black men shine so much that all of american steals from US.
do you really think it's the straight men that are coming up with these trends in fashion, popular music and slang? it is black gay culture that has defined entertainment for at least the last 30 years. a lot of men are in effect, just showing their jealously when they try to downplay our impact. you are paying the hatred foward and the only thing you have to say for yourselves is something that a white man said about you half a century ago.honestly, my nikka
for you to even speak on the gay struggle is overstepping your boundaries. you aren't about this life . there are things about this world that you don't even come close to understanding. the racism, misogyny, and self hate among the gay community is beyond anything you will even care to know.
sorry for any typos. i'd be happy to clarify.
Anytime anyone relates anything to the black experience it's met an automatic 
,even if I empathize with their plight; That shyt truly disgusts me 
I do believe that discrimination against anybody, sweet people included, is a civil liberties issue, but it shouldn't be painted in parallel to black
,even if I empathize with their plight; That shyt truly disgusts me I do believe that discrimination against anybody, sweet people included, is a civil liberties issue, but it shouldn't be painted in parallel to black
Anytime anyone relates anything to the black experience it's met an automatic
I do believe that discrimination against anybody, sweet people included, is a civil liberties issue, but it shouldn't be painted in parallel to black
it disgusts me, too! i just think that it's fukked up that me or someone like me, is commonly seen as outside the black community because i'm queer.
What are some examples of misogyny in the gay community? And as for racism, the gay community is just as racist as any other community in the US.
Self-hate? What are some examples?
misogyny...and i know this is may come off as gay c00ning:
-drag--basically a mockery of the entire female experience. i can elaborate if needed.
-women (escially black women)--any reality tv show you watch or coli queen you see is using commandeered gay slang. and generally speaking, we're not happy about it but we'll keep on keepin' on.
-homosexuality itself--is intrinsically neutral but at the end of the day 'men are better than women'. it's a problem in our community but this is real.
racism...you are almost correct. i would argue that the gay community is generally MORE racist, at least overtly. racism is the worst, IMO! my parents, when they were alive, acccepted me coming out. however, they still cut their eyes when i brought a white dude around, gay or not and to the point, almost every other gay did the same thing.
self hate...
oh i don't know. i'm sure you're heard of this place called the closet. it's like...a place where gay guys hang out so they can be accepted by people that don't really care about them. but hey! it's all good as long as you're getting paid enough per moment to drive to that hotel across town, reverend (or pastor, teacher, politician, etc.). the suicide rate is atrocious for this country in general. it doesn't make an exception for gays in the slightest. sorry if my explanation is too cheeky, breh.
of course, both struggles AIN'T the same. to say they are would be disrespecting both struggles. they both in their own right cannot be compared even though they both fall into the category of how prejudice affects certain groups.
however, just because YOU can't relate to something and can relate to something else doesn't mean that the struggle you can't relate to doesn't exist or you can undermine those that it affects. how about those of that are both black and gay? this is why it actually pays to not be ignorant because if you were open minded enough and NOT homophobic where you cared to look at the issues affecting the gay community, one of those would be racism. yes, we have full blown, blatant racism in the gay community and it's acceptable and seen as normal. it's ironic really that both communities (the black and the lgbtq communities) seem to have problems from within involving the same issues (racism in the lgbtq community and homophobia in the black community) yet both members in the communities want their struggles to be respected and accepted by the larger community. unlike the whites in the lgbtq community that blend in the majority in america, us blacks in the lgbtq community are hit with a double whammy. we're basically seen as outcasts in the black community and the lgbtq community. plus we have to deal with the regular society at large that doesn't like us for being black and gay. even though you have many white lgbtq folks that cannot relate to the shyt that black lgbtq folks go through, we're still part of the same struggle because even though they'll never experience racism like how we do. they still have to deal with homophobia and yes, homophobia like all form of prejudice like racism does have a psychological effect on those who it opposes. i've experienced it first hand straight up and see what it has done to others where they will go about lying to themselves or even committing suicide because they don't want to be treated like shyt by other people. they would rather be dead than to be openly gay where they're vulnerable to being shytted on. i've also seen how gay guys just like how black men try to cope with not being seen as equals in society to their differing in one characteristic counterparts where they resort to self destructing behavior towards themselves and their own as a means of dealing with shyt.
the OP basically ruined his own damn thread. you want people to respect the struggle of us blacks being discriminated against, racism against us, lynchings and the whole nine BUT yet you turn around and disrespect the struggle of us gays, acting like folks don't get murdered for being gay, discriminated against and etc.
how about next time when you or anybody else makes a thread like this you THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK? it makes no sense to complain about bigotry or ignorance when you're going to do the same fukking thing.
however, just because YOU can't relate to something and can relate to something else doesn't mean that the struggle you can't relate to doesn't exist or you can undermine those that it affects. how about those of that are both black and gay? this is why it actually pays to not be ignorant because if you were open minded enough and NOT homophobic where you cared to look at the issues affecting the gay community, one of those would be racism. yes, we have full blown, blatant racism in the gay community and it's acceptable and seen as normal. it's ironic really that both communities (the black and the lgbtq communities) seem to have problems from within involving the same issues (racism in the lgbtq community and homophobia in the black community) yet both members in the communities want their struggles to be respected and accepted by the larger community. unlike the whites in the lgbtq community that blend in the majority in america, us blacks in the lgbtq community are hit with a double whammy. we're basically seen as outcasts in the black community and the lgbtq community. plus we have to deal with the regular society at large that doesn't like us for being black and gay. even though you have many white lgbtq folks that cannot relate to the shyt that black lgbtq folks go through, we're still part of the same struggle because even though they'll never experience racism like how we do. they still have to deal with homophobia and yes, homophobia like all form of prejudice like racism does have a psychological effect on those who it opposes. i've experienced it first hand straight up and see what it has done to others where they will go about lying to themselves or even committing suicide because they don't want to be treated like shyt by other people. they would rather be dead than to be openly gay where they're vulnerable to being shytted on. i've also seen how gay guys just like how black men try to cope with not being seen as equals in society to their differing in one characteristic counterparts where they resort to self destructing behavior towards themselves and their own as a means of dealing with shyt.
the OP basically ruined his own damn thread. you want people to respect the struggle of us blacks being discriminated against, racism against us, lynchings and the whole nine BUT yet you turn around and disrespect the struggle of us gays, acting like folks don't get murdered for being gay, discriminated against and etc.
how about next time when you or anybody else makes a thread like this you THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK? it makes no sense to complain about bigotry or ignorance when you're going to do the same fukking thing.
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two different struggles....OP is on point
Matthew shepard
It may be a mockery but isn't it more a mockery of transgender women? After all, people who want to be crass just call transgender women "men in dresses".
For people in the closet, I thought it was more about not wanting to be labeled. Self-hate of course probably plays a role but looking at someone like Mister Cee (not the best example I know) he is someone who obviously is gay but can't bring himself to admit to being gay.
A case from almost 15 years ago? And a case where drugs were involved? Not really the best example.