No it isn't.
Being Black and Being Gay: The Difference
- Thread starter FrederickDouglas
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No it isn't.
T.he I.nformant
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Definitely agree, it's just foolish when people try to compare the two.
But having said that, I still think that it should be easier for us to be able to relate to homosexuals on a certain level because although they may not experience the extremities of racial-based prejudice, they still do go through prejudice. There may be a combination of both nature and nurture in effect, but genetics surely plays a role. Nobody chooses to make their life harder than it needs to be, why go against the grain of social norms when you know how difficult it will be?
As a black male who has experienced prejudice purely because of the way I was born, that helps me empathize with others who experience not the same type of prejudice or even to the same degree, but prejudice nonetheless.
But having said that, I still think that it should be easier for us to be able to relate to homosexuals on a certain level because although they may not experience the extremities of racial-based prejudice, they still do go through prejudice. There may be a combination of both nature and nurture in effect, but genetics surely plays a role. Nobody chooses to make their life harder than it needs to be, why go against the grain of social norms when you know how difficult it will be?
As a black male who has experienced prejudice purely because of the way I was born, that helps me empathize with others who experience not the same type of prejudice or even to the same degree, but prejudice nonetheless.
FrederickDouglas
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A point that's been brought out is how many people switch between having sex with both males and females. Yet again another difference. If we can't strictly define the causes behind homosexual behavior and can see examples of people who go back and forth, then sexual preferences (or fetishes as I see them) can be fluid.
For example, a person may like head. But they don't need head in order to get a nut. They may enjoy it immensely but they can also enjoy sex without it. Similarly, I think there are people who get off on the rush of sleeping with the same sex, because of the taboo. They don't need to, but they like the rush. Society has convinced people that this is an integral unchangeable part of who they are, so you have people with homosexual tendencies damn near about to commit suicide and treating their rush addiction as if it's some epic struggle for love, justice, and personal freedom.
I don't buy it. Homosexuals at the end of the day cannot be targeted for anything other than their actions.
To those who say individuals wouldn't make their lives harder on purpose, I counter that by simply pointing out the fact that people engage in self-destructive behavior all the time for the sake of pleasure or reward.
For example, a person may like head. But they don't need head in order to get a nut. They may enjoy it immensely but they can also enjoy sex without it. Similarly, I think there are people who get off on the rush of sleeping with the same sex, because of the taboo. They don't need to, but they like the rush. Society has convinced people that this is an integral unchangeable part of who they are, so you have people with homosexual tendencies damn near about to commit suicide and treating their rush addiction as if it's some epic struggle for love, justice, and personal freedom.
I don't buy it. Homosexuals at the end of the day cannot be targeted for anything other than their actions.
To those who say individuals wouldn't make their lives harder on purpose, I counter that by simply pointing out the fact that people engage in self-destructive behavior all the time for the sake of pleasure or reward.
You are saying this now to win an argument but I bet you have done the following or have probably co-signed the following: (a) Drake being wack cause he's mixed and raised by his white mom (b) Macklemore appropriating black culture/not being a legit rapper (c) the Grammy's or some other award shows not awarding black rappers in favor of white rappers.
Believe it or not, rap has created/promoted a great level of misogyny in our community. (notice you didn't touch this point) Are you saying it's impossible for such to have had a big impact on the way people feel about their sexuality?
You have a biological urge to release sexual tension. Not have a baby. Releasing sexual tension doesn't = having a baby. Notice that you can't say "biological urge to have a baby". Only "biological urge for sex". Are you somehow implying that if you are attracted to the same sex, you're biological urge to bust a nut ain't never gonna pop up?
There's no evolutionary purpose to sex feeling good. I'm pretty sure sex has always felt good. Don't people like feeling good? Ok. Y'all actin' like y'all the first group of people who ever thought an orgasm was the shyt and wanted to have some more of 'em.
On the rap subject: I haven't done any of those except maybe C. Black rap artists are a part of our community. Their music doesn't necessarily reflect or represent it. The misogyny and homophobia in rap music has more to do with hyper masculinity and competitiveness than it does as a reflection of blacks. You can find the same misogyny and homophobia in sports, with just as many white athletes than black ones, but for some reason, the white community doesn't seem to have a problem with either.
About the purpose of pleasure, I don't take it as gospel truth, just thought it was an interesting theory, similar to the theory that poorer individuals are more likely to be attracted to women with large breasts because they instinctively tie that the being able to breast feed. I don't think it's crazy to believe that biologically, we haven't evolved as much as we like to think we have. Intellectually we have evolved.
Finally, is your theory basically that sex is pleasurable so that we can release sexual tension? How is that any more valid than the one put out in this thread?
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FrederickDouglas
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As a side note, I think it's a shame people get 14 years in prison because of a sexual fetish practiced between consenting adults in Nigeria.
But even so, if they continue, they are choosing to risk jail time by having sex. When your preferred fetish is illegal, you either do something else or move.
Sexual proclivities, taboos, and fetishes are not in the realm of universal truth. The truth is humanity comes in all colors and shades, and discrimination on the basis of race is incomparable to discrimination against dudes who like it up the ass.
But even so, if they continue, they are choosing to risk jail time by having sex. When your preferred fetish is illegal, you either do something else or move.
Sexual proclivities, taboos, and fetishes are not in the realm of universal truth. The truth is humanity comes in all colors and shades, and discrimination on the basis of race is incomparable to discrimination against dudes who like it up the ass.
FrederickDouglas
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Bumping this...I felt it necessary 
FrederickDouglas
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In real life, im bi. On the coli, im delivert until i find a new troll gimmick.Aren't you straight now?
FrederickDouglas
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Two years later and people are still making this stupid comparison
GoddamnyamanProf
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Because its still valid.Two years later and people are still making this stupid comparison
If you had the option, would you choose to become white to make your life easier? What about if you could just conceal your blackness and keep it a secret? Pill invented tomorrow makes that possible...are you signing up?
FrederickDouglas
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Because its still valid.
If you had the option, would you choose to become white to make your life easier? What about if you could just conceal your blackness and keep it a secret? Pill invented tomorrow makes that possible...are you signing up?
That's not the only difference between being black and being gay...but I'll play along.
As far as your question, I personally wouldn't, BUT there are plenty of black people who would.
Of course, this hypothetical scenario is so unrealistic that it collapses upon itself. If race were so malleable, then our concept of it would change drastically. Racism would become damn near impossible to enact and the line between what makes a person white or black would be blurred to the point of irrelevance.
GoddamnyamanProf
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They shouldn't have to, that's the point. The problem is a society that forces people to conform and deny who they are or face oppression.That's not the only difference between being black and being gay...but I'll play along.
As far as your question, I personally wouldn't, BUT there are plenty of black people who would.
Of course, this hypothetical scenario is so unrealistic that it collapses upon itself. If race were so malleable, then our concept of it would change drastically. Racism would become damn near impossible to enact and the line between what makes a person white or black would be blurred to the point of irrelevance.
Is the line between straight and gay blurred to the point of irrelevance? Clearly not.
FrederickDouglas
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If race were as malleable as "sexual orientation", that might be a valid argument.
There are people who have gone from heterosexual to bisexual to homosexual to asexual to pansexual in the span of a few years.
If people could switch race that easily, the world would be a much different place.