Bernie and his army are losing 2018

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

no they shouldnt have funneled all the money to Hilary, given her questions before the debate etc etc

Hillary is the one who bailed out the DNC to the tune of $10 million, and you're mad she had the "nerve" to issue demands.

Let me loan someone $10,000, much less 10 million and see how you take it

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the fact ya'll act like the democratic party is beyond criticism is how i know were fukked in the long haul.

because you all act like republicans don't exist

 

[AnonymityX1000]

...like the president?

Oh is he not an idiot all of a sudden?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

because you all act like republicans don't exist

This is about the strategy going forward to beat Republicans who have wiped the floor with Establishment Dems at every level of government. If an existing strategy isn't working it's just dumb not to change it.

 

[intra vires]

@FAH1223 @tru_m.a.c can we put a gag on anyone trying to relitigate the 2016 Democratic primary? It's not constructive so it shouldn't it fall into the BS category? They're derailing legitimate threads because they're still in their feelings.

Not trying to backseat mod

 

[88m3]

@FAH1223 @tru_m.a.c can we put a gag on anyone trying to relitigate the 2016 Democratic primary? It's not constructive so it shouldn't it fall into the BS category? They're derailing legitimate threads because they're still in their feelings.

Not trying to backseat mod

Exactly.

This thread is about Bernie, strategy, the candidates he's endorsed and their respective races.

We were promised a Ferrari and we got a Pinto.


Also I love Alexandria Ocasio Cortez but lets not pretend she's a bellwether for anywhere but possibly the deepest of blue districts.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@FAH1223 @tru_m.a.c can we put a gag on anyone trying to relitigate the 2016 Democratic primary? It's not constructive so it shouldn't it fall into the BS category? They're derailing legitimate threads because they're still in their feelings.

Not trying to backseat mod

Bernie is an incumbent senator who is stealing our resources, our money, and our time.

You don't get to dictate the convo because we're exposing your boy.

 

[Pressure]

"Controlled opposition" whatever helps you sleep at night.

Plays better than the DNC rigged 50 state elections by giving Hillary a few questions to a debate that most people didn't watch and of those who watched weren't swayed because that's how debates work.

But this back and forth is beyond corny now. As I said, if progressives want to become more mainstream they're going to have to win in tough places. So far, it hasn't happened.

 

[Pressure]

This is about the strategy going forward to beat Republicans who have wiped the floor with Establishment Dems at every level of government. If an existing strategy isn't working it's just dumb not to change it.

Establishment dems are, by definition of establishment, people who have already been elected to office.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Establishment dems are, by definition of establishment, people who have already been elected to office.

Therefore, they are more keenly aware their numbers have dwindled dramatically over the last decade.

 

[ineedsleep212]

Plays better than the DNC rigged 50 state elections by giving Hillary a few questions to a debate that most people didn't watch and of those who watched weren't swayed because that's how debates work.

But this back and forth is beyond corny now. As I said, if progressives want to become more mainstream they're going to have to win in tough places. So far, it hasn't happened.

No one talks about the questions when talking about things being rigged. They talk about the superdelegates, media coverage and different primary systems across the nation. Nice try tho.

First it was no one was gonna win. Now it's why haven't they won all their races as if its wide open and there isn't opposition from the establishment and big moneyed interests behind their preferred candidates. The goalposts are always moving as the same folks will continue to act like folks aren't pushing the party to the left. A good number of these candidates were first time candidates but now that doesn't matter. To act like this article is objective is laughable.

 

[Pressure]

Therefore, they are more keenly aware their numbers have dwindled dramatically over the last decade.

But we're talking strategy and you've went from

1.)Incumbents are losing
2.)Republicans are winning
3.)?????
4.)ZOMFG!!!!! PROGRESSIVES ARE THE SOLUTION


In order for any sustained progressive movement to work they'll have to

a.) Win the primary
b.)Win the general

There is also the reality that a lot of losses are not just a result of Liberal policy, but also voter suppression and republican gerrymandering.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

But we're talking strategy and you've went from

1.)Incumbents are losing
2.)Republicans are winning
3.)?????
4.)ZOMFG!!!!! PROGRESSIVES ARE THE SOLUTION


In order for any sustained progressive movement to work they'll have to

a.) Win the primary
b.)Win the general

There is also the reality that a lot of losses are not just a result of Liberal policy, but also voter suppression and republican gerrymandering.

Thanks for the recap. What point are you trying to make tho?

 

[Pressure]

No one talks about the questions when talking about things being rigged. They talk about the superdelegates, media coverage and different primary systems across the nation. Nice try tho.

First it was no one was gonna win. Now it's why haven't they won all their races as if its wide open and there isn't opposition from the establishment and big moneyed interests behind their preferred candidates. The goalposts are always moving as the same folks will continue to act like folks aren't pushing the party to the left. A good number of these candidates were first time candidates but now that doesn't matter. To act like this article is objective is laughable.

Super delegates - Did not sway the election. She won off the back of the vote.
Media Coverage - Bernie received media coverage in line with where he was polling and that has been the standard for a long time
Primary Systems - States have the right to determine how they vote for candidates and for president.

Please explain how any of these placed Bernie at a Disadvantage over the other candidates who also operated within this system.

Note: Bernie Sanders has been in been in national politics since 1972. This disadvantaged political newcomer argument is bullshyt. Try again.


Let's not forget:
Why Bernie Sanders Won Super Tuesday | HuffPost

Bernie won Super Tuesday! Let me explain why.

Going into tonight it was unclear what was going to happen because the polling was so shoddy in some states, especially Colorado and Minnesota. Those two states are so important because of what they mean for the future.

It turns out that Hillary Clinton won all of the states she was supposed to win — and a narrow victory in Massachusetts (remember she won Mass. by 15 points against Obama and still lost the primary in 2008). But Bernie Sanders had resounding wins in CO & MN. Those two states are much more indicative of the states that are coming in the rest of the primary schedule.

All of these Southern states were Hillary Clinton’s best states (by the way, also irrelevant places to have strength in for the general election). She’s used up most of her ammo and doesn’t even know what kind of trouble she’s in. Right before the voting, she pivoted toward the right again in anticipation of the general election. Big mistake. She can’t help herself; she lives and breaths arrogance.

Tonight could have been the knock out punch if Clinton had won CO & MN. But she didn’t! She lost them big. Now, he has a $40 million war chest and favorable map in front of him. Feel the Bern!

Time is on Bernie’s side. The more he runs, the more people find out about him. Everyone already knows Clinton. She’s gaining no new voters. Every day he gains ground. So, now he lives to fight many other days. She is in a race against time and she didn’t close the door tonight. Tick, tock. Tick, tock!

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[Pressure]

Thanks for the recap. What point are you trying to make tho?

The same evidence you use against Establishment democrats is equally applies to Bernie Wing Progressives:
1.)Lack of representation
2.)Losing elections
3.)Not reading the tea leaves to address 1 and 2