PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
why do you say that? because hes actually progressive and not a corporatist moderate hack?
Bernie. Don't Run.
- Thread starter ☑︎#VoteDemocrat
- Start date
Bernie's run as an independant for his whole career except for the 2016 presidential elections
With that being said I wouldn't mind the Dems actually developing into a real, strong left-wing party
Godspeed to AOC and her fellow progressives and DSA elects and to-be elects
Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
Because he's literally not a Democrat. He changed party affiliation just to run for President, and changed it back to Independent after the election.
Neither of those articles are worth their salt.Good counterpoint to these two articles that highlight the discrepancies between these candidates and BernieNot quite sure whose alias you think I am but I'm not, I simply hold views that would be considered progressive or radical in America, and social democratic in Europe. Perhaps even Democratic socialist in some aspects.
But here's why you were Negged:
1.)kamala Harris is far from an idiot
2.)Beto is the second most popular Democrat, 3rd if you shoe horn Sanders in
3.)The war cry of progressives was been to run on popular policy that Americans want to get behind - - both Beto and Harris are Doing that
Sit down child.
Neither of those articles are worth their salt.
But here's why you were Negged:
1.)kamala Harris is far from an idiot
2.)Beto is the second most popular Democrat, 3rd if you shoe horn Sanders in
3.)The war cry of progressives was been to run on popular policy that Americans want to get behind - - both Beto and Harris are Doing that
Sit down child.
Admittedly my disagreements with Harris mostly come from her tweeting about how Americans deserve a roof over their heads and their lights on only if they hold a full-time job, and her hawkish comments regarding Syria, other than that she's fine from what I've seen I suppose.
Beto however is definitely not the progressive you seem to think he is. The article highlights him not participating in various progressive moves, never joining Congressional Progressive Caucus while in congress and instead being a part of the New Democratic Caucus, standing on the sidelines for the 2016 presidential election, and not sponsoring the free college house bill, or the single-payer healthcare bill.
He also once challenged the consensus on pro-Israel stances, quickly redacted after AIPAC donors showed him what's good, and approved all further aid to Israel. He didn't even go as far as to sponsor a bill that would prohibit aid to Israeli units that are proven to abuse children.
The article also highlights how his language about healthcare changed throughout his campaign until the present from a "single-payer healthcare system for all Americans" to "universal, guaranteed, high-quality health care for all" to then eventually him being open to a single-payer, dual system, or other systems that guarantee affordable healthcare for all, a clear difference.
With receipts too.
Would Beto be alright? Possibly. Is Beto some sort of progressive champion rather than a man simply using vaguely progressive rhetoric while really being more entrenched in the Hillary Clinton camp? No. Ideological purity isn't something that is realistic, but I don't see why Bernie should endorse him since he clearly doesn't really have the progressive credentials his rhetoric would have you believe.
So you're arguing against a popular young politician whose platform has only grown more palatable in favor of Sanders whose own platform saw a similar progression?
And no one reasonable is asking Bernie to avoid running-- only Nap
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
To be fair this thread is about 2020, not a rehash of 2016.In 30 years we'll probably be living under some right-wing dictatorship and yall still going to be on this Bernie vs. Hillary shyt.
I'm merely pointing out that Beto is not a progressive and has a record of not being active at all in driving forth progressive policies, merely watered down versions of what progressives want to doSo you're arguing against a popular young politician whose platform has only grown more palatable in favor of Sanders whose own platform saw a similar progression?
Make of that what you will.
Democrats are still dividing themselves up into the same factions and bashing each other rather than Trump and the GOP.
shyt is weak and will probably cost the Dems 2020 if it keeps up.
Personally I think we need to focus on voting Republicans out of power at all costs, and worry about this "Establishment" vs. "Progressive" bullshyt afterwards. Damage controlling the GOP is the more pressing concern.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Bashing Trump and the GOP is like saying, "the sky is blue". It's not interesting conversation. No one on here likes them. The Dem strategy going forward is not yet written and definitely up for grabs. It's interesting to talk about.
No. He’s not a democrat.
i repped u back to cancel it out. all goodGood counterpoint to these two articles that highlight the discrepancies between these candidates and Bernie
