Bernie Stans....do ya'll seriously think he'll win the general?
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Hell no
Go back and read what the pundits were saying before he got elected in 08. Its absolutely a yes. 2012 is obv a different story but I stand by my statements for 08.
He does better in head to head polls with republicans. What about that do you not understand?
He does better with independents. He's more likeable and looked at as more honest.
Honestly there is no evidence for the Hillary is more electable line.
don't believe what the polls say... if bernie does win the democratic nominee and its just him and whoever from the right the people will finally as a whole hear how absurd his ideas are... he would honestly look like a joke, he would hurt the democratic party, shyt I think he's hurting it rightnow.. the right already thinks the democrats want everything for free and bernie is proving them right by going 100, 1,000 on that issue... wake up, people only flock to bernie cuz he's a sweet man and is saying free stuff.
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
"free stuff"
The working class produces all the wealth of society, it is time workers come together to demand what they deserve instead of being isolated, struggling automatons that the Right wants.
The working class produces all the wealth of society, it is time workers come together to demand what they deserve instead of being isolated, struggling automatons that the Right wants.
You're talking to a bunch of progressives using right wing talking points, do you even know where you're at? Bernie is saying that certain things are owed to Americans as a right. You have the right to vote, freedom of speech, the right to counsel, etc. Who says where the line is drawn? Living in a society is a contract and we as a people can decide what the terms of the contract are. The current contract sucks.
superunknown23
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Hillary will do better with blacks than Sanders, especially in battleground states. And she'll definitely do better with white women than Obama did in 2012 (he lost them 56-41 percent to Romney).
they remind me so much of Ron Paul supporters in 2008... They were all over the internet
You really cannot put much weight behind polls about the general election this early. Those things change as the primary gets closer to ending and the attacks start on the chosen candidate.
Also the majority of this country is center-Left...which is why candidates that are too far to one extreme in the primary will begin to move towards the center once the general election starts. And he would risk turning off his fervent base if he began to move to the center and go back on primary campaign promises because all Bernie really has right now is that he is the stalwart anti-establishment guy who has never changed his ideology on anything (despite actually changing his political opinions on a grip of things, go figure).
As to Bernie's chances; depending on who comes out of the Repub primary his chances fluctuate. What a lot of Bernie supporters don't realize though is that dude has weaknesses that will need to be addressed and just ignoring them or getting angry at people for bringing them up doesn't help Bernie's chances.
Bernie has a coalition problem in that he hasn't built a diverse enough one to be a lock to win anything. His other problem is that he hasn't really ever had to face the full force of an opponent trying to destroy him so we have no clue how he will react to the attacks that the GOP will start hitting him with.
There are also things that can be brought up to undermine Bernie with Latino voters so if he were to end up running against a Rubio or even Cruz then he would face a serious problem. Do your Googles on Bernie co-sponsoring a bill to dump Vermont/Maine nuclear waste on a small border town in Texas that was predominately Mexican and poor as fukk.
That easily can be turned into "Bernie is a racist old white man who dumps toxic waste on poor Latinos"...the ads direct themselves.
And his town hall in Minnesota this past week shows that Bernie still has issues with dealing with black people who are not already "Feeling the Bern.
So Sanders has no easy path to the White House as far as I can see. Not to say he is a guaranteed loser but things would have to change in the Sanders Campaign for me to feel more confident about his chances to beat Hillary let alone win the Presidency.
Also the majority of this country is center-Left...which is why candidates that are too far to one extreme in the primary will begin to move towards the center once the general election starts. And he would risk turning off his fervent base if he began to move to the center and go back on primary campaign promises because all Bernie really has right now is that he is the stalwart anti-establishment guy who has never changed his ideology on anything (despite actually changing his political opinions on a grip of things, go figure).
As to Bernie's chances; depending on who comes out of the Repub primary his chances fluctuate. What a lot of Bernie supporters don't realize though is that dude has weaknesses that will need to be addressed and just ignoring them or getting angry at people for bringing them up doesn't help Bernie's chances.
Bernie has a coalition problem in that he hasn't built a diverse enough one to be a lock to win anything. His other problem is that he hasn't really ever had to face the full force of an opponent trying to destroy him so we have no clue how he will react to the attacks that the GOP will start hitting him with.
There are also things that can be brought up to undermine Bernie with Latino voters so if he were to end up running against a Rubio or even Cruz then he would face a serious problem. Do your Googles on Bernie co-sponsoring a bill to dump Vermont/Maine nuclear waste on a small border town in Texas that was predominately Mexican and poor as fukk.
That easily can be turned into "Bernie is a racist old white man who dumps toxic waste on poor Latinos"...the ads direct themselves.
And his town hall in Minnesota this past week shows that Bernie still has issues with dealing with black people who are not already "Feeling the Bern.
So Sanders has no easy path to the White House as far as I can see. Not to say he is a guaranteed loser but things would have to change in the Sanders Campaign for me to feel more confident about his chances to beat Hillary let alone win the Presidency.
What makes you think Bernie would have any more issues than any other Democrat with black/latino voters? Especially with Trump and the rhetoric on the right. A large majority of minority voters will vote Democrat regardless of whether Clinton or Sanders win just like they have been for decades.
IMO, the next president is going to be whoever wins the Democratic nomination. If Obama was able to win comfortably in 2012 with the sheer amount of baggage he had and the hate he had from the right, then I don't see how Clinton or Sanders could lose the White House. Either would probably do similar numbers with minorities (albeit maybe with slightly lower turnout) and probably significantly better with whites (by virtue of them being....white).
1. A certain type of person answers polls.
2. Independents don't count, statistically counting. And Bernie still isn't really a "democrat" officially
3. Theres no evidence? Fam, you're just basis this on sheer misrepresentation of the data.
You're letting the internet and the liberal bubble rattle you.
Step outside of that for a moment and look around.
This is anyone's game right now.
Bernie doesn't have the voting coalition that Obama was able to put together. That is why all the comparisons of Sanders to Obama in 08 are silly because they are vastly different. Obama got out a record number of black voters and it is just as likely that a good chunk of them will just stay home instead of voting for Bernie. And he could conceivably lose the Latino and Asian vote to the GOP candidate.
Obama had a more diverse voter base and was able to get out more people (total) to actually vote at this point in the primary than Bernie has. He couldn't even get more people to come out and vote for him in NH than the turnout was for the Dem primary in NH in 08. Same thing with the Iowa caucus. So how exactly is this revolution that Bernie and his supporters are calling for going to happen when he can't even increase the enthusiasm numbers from the last contested Dem primary especially in the early states where everything lined up in his favor demographically?
I argue that the current contract isn't as bad as "the left" stakes these doom and gloom headlines on.
This shyt was "riveting" when I was in my early 20's as a college student.
Now? It's just tiring to see the same hyperventilation get play the more I understand how the world works, how groups of people make decisions, and why things evolve the way they do.
I'm not condoning the state of the world, nor am I evaluating whether or not you are valid in reaching your conclusions...but I will assert that things are not nearly as accurate as they're portrayed to be by the left, nor as dire.
More empty, vague, meaningless platitudes devoid of actual contributions to thought or solutions."free stuff"
The working class produces all the wealth of society, it is time workers come together to demand what they deserve instead of being isolated, struggling automatons that the Right wants.
Workers have some of the strongest union protections in the America more than the rest of the world.
This is what happens when all that "unity" gets too strong:
Watch As American Company Tells Workers It's Moving 1400 Jobs To Mexico
That email fiasco is legit IMO...its a serious breach of security. I can explain why if you don't already know...If Hilary is the nomination get ready to hear about emails and Benghazi over and over
