"Big never forgave me for selling Doin' It to LL"

[concise]

respectfully, have to disagree
the ‘doing it well’ track is just not hard enough … it’s a female friendly/party track

while hypnotize is the complete hip-hop track because it production can range from the most mainstream commercial -to- the hardest hard-core atmosphere

You're only saying that after decades of that song existing but not thinking about all the steps that it took to get it to that point.
The part the clip is from goes up to about 50 minutes in this video

— Puff actually did promise him an advance payment but never delivered
— He wanted to take the "Go Brooklyn" part out when he gave it to LL
— They probably wouldn't have even had LeShaun on there if he didn't have the track on him when they were recording to even think of putting her on it
— He thought for a good minute of selling the beat twice and thinking about the ramifications later. That would have been amazing because all these theories would be dead.

 

[pawdalaw]

Puff outsmarted himself. In his mind, an up and coming producer wouldnt blow the opportunity to get a placement on such a high profile album from the hottest artist out . Would do wonders for his career.

Hats off to Chris Lighty for having a good ear for beats, and spotting the hit.

Chris is responsible for so much shyt! It’s a shame that his name doesn’t have legend attached to it. Dude was in the mix always when NY was popping.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Thoae go brooklyn chants mustve pissed him off even more.

I get it but at the same time he shouldve been more upfront about needing money to hold them. At least let them bid.

I could have sworn big was in the loungin video




0:25-0:28

 

[Makavalli]

cap … ‘hypnotize‘ was always going to be his number one single
Ddot and the whole entire hit-man spent damn near the whole summer in 96 in the Virgin Islands totally isolated, producing a bunch of tracks for biggie‘s double album, puff LP and mase debut





respectfully disagree, but to each his own, you have every right to to your own opinion

I just think the track for ‘doing it well‘ would’ve not been the number one single off his album and I don’t even think it would’ve been a single released at all. My opinion is I think it would’ve been the track to substitute the song called ‘another one‘ which was featured with Lil Kim.


imagine a scenario where a nikka gets killed and they bring his body back home for his funeral, and he takes his last ride from his stomping grounds surrounded by hundreds maybe thousands of fans with broken hearts, and tears in their eyes and as the hearse slowly passes his building, somebody pops in his new single with the ‘doing it well’ beat on it …. I’m sorry that just ain’t it.


although it’s sad and a tragedy, this is one of hip-hop’s most monumental moment and the fact that hypnotize track was a part of it tells me all I need to know that it is possibly one of the greatest tracks of all time

To be alive during that time felt haunting and now looking back at the whole east westcoast beef and his funeral this was some top tier A1 promotion. Like Puff sold his whole a$$ to the devil for the type of run this took his career and bad boy

 

[kingofnyc]

You're only saying that after decades of that song existing but not thinking about all the steps that it took to get it to that point.
The part the clip is from goes up to about 50 minutes in this video

— Puff actually did promise him an advance payment but never delivered
— He wanted to take the "Go Brooklyn" part out when he gave it to LL
— They probably wouldn't have even had LeShaun on there if he didn't have the track on him when they were recording to even think of putting her on it
— He thought for a good minute of selling the beat twice and thinking about the ramifications later. That would have been amazing because all these theories would be dead.

Nah, I’m not saying this based on decades later I would’ve told anybody straight up in the 90s that “hypnotized” track is superior to “doing it” and don’t get me wrong. It is a classic track, but it doesn’t have the range. It only could be a party female commercial song unlike “hypnotize”

And you’re slightly off by saying puff never delivered … he told him LAD didn’t have the budget yet
Rashad should’ve told Puff and biggie that he couldn’t work on a track until he saw some type of advance because his girl was pregnant and he needed to take care of her

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

How the heck you gonna blame Puff for your lack of professionalism

I see both sides… Can a dealership hold a particular car for you without some type of deposit?

 

[Roid Jones]

I see both sides… Can a dealership hold a particular car for you without some type of deposit?

Yeah I can't blame dude, the music industry is shady, sitting on a hit record because someone promised payment is how you lose money

 

[TripleAgent]

Everyone saying only LL would do the track justice, you can't say that because you've heard that for 30 years. BIG may have made an all time classic, or it may have been meh and cut. No way to tell. LAD BIG could do ANYTHING.

 

[Roid Jones]

Nah, I’m not saying this based on decades later I would’ve told anybody straight up in the 90s that “hypnotized” track is superior to “doing it” and don’t get me wrong. It is a classic track, but it doesn’t have the range. It only could be a party female commercial song unlike “hypnotize”

And you’re slightly off by saying puff never delivered … he told him LAD didn’t have the budget yet
Rashad should’ve told Puff and biggie that he couldn’t work on a track until he saw some type of advance because his girl was pregnant and he needed to take care of her

Puff would have said 'word, I'll give you $500'

 

[MajesticLion]

I see both sides… Can a dealership hold a particular car for you without some type of deposit?

Let's make the analogy more accurate.


- B.I.G.(the customer) went direct to the manufacturer(producer) with the concept+design specs for the vehicle. Manufacturer comes up with greatness.

- While waiting for the customer's usual dealership to get their behind in gear(Puff), another dealership swoops in(Lighty) and says look, I can get you a sale right now, quit playing.

- Granted, no contract was signed, no formal agreements were made. That's the business end. But unlike auto manufacturing and sales...this is someone who GAVE you the concept+design specs to run with in the first place. You wouldn't have had that heat you made without it...all of which you publicly acknowledged. On top of all that, your word is involved.


Puff being Puff, he most likely wanted production as much in-house as possible so he could control things. He wouldn't have been tryna hear about any side moves B.I.G was making; those two butted heads about that often enough.



Your word is your word. That overshadows everything.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

How the heck you gonna blame Puff for your lack of professionalism

You think people are supposed to just sit on their creative works until a prospective customer is ready to pay?

 

[The War Report]

Y'all only say this beat was tailored made for LL because you've heard him on this track all your life. Of course you're gonna have that bias. At the end of day, son made that beat for BIG and Chris Lighty was savvy enough to spot a hit record and press the issue for LL. That's good business.

 

[SadimirPutin]

nikkas think that *checks notes* THE NOTORIOUS BIG couldnt have absolutely dog walked that track?


Every day this board makes me rub my temples man

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah I can't blame dude, the music industry is shady, sitting on a hit record because someone promised payment is how you lose money

nah , that’s not telling the whole story
If dude made the beats and biggie heard it and definitely wanted it on his album then him waiting for some type of advance and not receiving it in a timely fashion is understandable for him to move on and sell it to another

But that’s not what happened

biggie and Rashad had a conversation and biggie came up with the whole concept and idea for the track and told him the two samples he wanted him to use which he did and created the classic track

At the end of the day, that’s kind of grimy because the track wasn’t based off his(Rashad) idea

 

[⠀X ⠀]

BIG should have recorded it anyway. Is there a rule that says that 2 rappers can’t have very similar tracks?