"Big never forgave me for selling Doin' It to LL"

[kingofnyc]

Not it wasn't a Rashad issue, because Rashad sold the beats for double what Puff would have paid. lol
Yes I would and I would tell them I have a product I am sure they would want and tell them the price.
If they said they still didn't have the money I would say fine, and put it on my website or showroom floor and sell it to everyone.

What are you confused about kid? shyt isn't hard to understand.

it’s funny how other people have finally came around and get it …. except for you


At the end of the day he fukked up because according to the industry, he was going to be part of puff, bad boy hitman production team, where I posted = Puff sent to the Caribbean in 1996 in a mansion & isolated from damn near everybody for well over a month to produce a bunch of hit songs for biggie, puff and mase which they all dropped in 1997, which accumulated up to 30 million in sales when it comes to albums and single sold

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah, that one’s on me. I remember hearing that on AllHipHop back in the day, but after looking it up, I found nothing to corroborate that. Still plenty of beats that flipped the game though.

yeah, I was gonna say, cause you know the song was produced by puff & nashiem from the hitmen

 

[David_TheMan]

it’s funny how other people have finally came around and get it …. except for you


At the end of the day he fukked up because according to the industry, he was going to be part of puff, bad boy hitman production team, where I posted = Puff sent to the Caribbean in 1996 in a mansion & isolated from damn near everybody for well over a month to produce a bunch of hit songs for biggie, puff and mase which they all dropped in 1997, which accumulated up to 30 million in sales when it comes to albums and single sold

nobody came around to what you are saying, because what you are saying is so incredibly stupid.
He did't get to go to the carribean so he lost? how?
lol
He got paid double.
I doubt puff gave any of those folks a percentage of revenue from sales, they most likely got a fixed fee for the product. So what do sales matter to them?

 

[Supa]

this is getting a bit ridiculous with y’all posters on here


how in the hell did big get emotional? He came up with a concept for his song , told a producer what he wanted for the track , the dude did the track and sold it to somebody else
at the end of the day that’s foul …. if it wasn’t foul, then why does Rashad say himself that he understood why big didn’t wanna fukk with him anymore that was his own words

Big got emotional by leaving threatening messages. It's cool if he felt a way about Rashad but he should have directed his anger at Puff for not putting up the money. Instead of refusing to speak to Rashad he could of gotten co-producer credit and make money off of LL's songs.

Rashad still did tracks for Bad Boy and even Junior Mafia after that so only Big held a grudge and got in the way of business.

I just don’t understand why you dudes are completely ignoring the fact that he was told upfront that the budget wasn’t cleared
yet he still did the track , I need y’all to explain this to me

So he needs to wait for the budget to clear to make two beats?

Producers make beats and then the artist pays for them. He made them and called Puff for the deposit like he was supposed to.

Let's not ignore that there was still the possibility of Big getting those beats and either not using them, sitting on them, or the songs not making the album. LL paying double negates any negatives because he keeps that deposit which equals his entire fee for both beats if Big got them.

 

[ThrobbingHood]

Brother I can tell you wholeheartedly had Big came out with a song over that muthafukkin beat at that exact moment in time when his popularity was at its peak amongst the in crowd, not the whites, the whole East Coast might’ve fukked around and exploded.

LL did the beat justice. Easily one of his top 5 tracks. But man… Biggie told him it was meant to be the lead single off his sophomore album… imagine what he would’ve done with that track, the “Go Brooklyn” chants.

 

[tuckgod]

LL did the beat justice. Easily one of his top 5 tracks. But man… Biggie told him it was meant to be the lead single off his sophomore album… imagine what he would’ve done with that track, the “Go Brooklyn” chants.

Yes lawd

I’m kinda gettin pissed thinking about it

LL ruined the second half of the 90s lowkey

Between this and the Canibus bullshyt where he used his Def Jam/Hot 97 pull to turn him into an album roll out when breh was just showing his idol at the time the ultimate form of respect.

He’s a sucka.

 

[FTBS]

Principles. Men dont do that..its against man law to pull a stunt like that and breh knows it.
We all know it.
Sure, you got your money but we cant deal anymore.
Now, if they were dealing with a woman we would understand.

It is absolutely 100 percent against man law to ask somebody to do something and fail to pay them. Its a next level violation to then get mad at them and threaten them for getting paid double elsewhere by someone that is actually serious. Wild thing is despite the hoe shyt by Puff and his own financial issues, he still tried to look out for Big. Meanwhile, the moment Biggie aint get what he didnt pay for he pullin up on nikkas.

 

[ISO]

Turned out fine song fits LL better

I can’t think of an instance of a beat being passed on where it would have been better than the original

 

[tuckgod]

Turned out fine song fits LL better

I can’t think of an instance of a beat being passed on where it would have been better than the original

You don’t know who the song fits better because we never got to hear Big’s full vision.

 

[Supa]

It is absolutely 100 percent against man law to ask somebody to do something and fail to pay them. Its a next level violation to then get mad at them and threaten them for getting paid double elsewhere by someone that is actually serious. Wild thing is despite the hoe shyt by Puff and his own financial issues, he still tried to look out for Big. Meanwhile, the moment Biggie aint get what he didnt pay for he pullin up on nikkas.

It's like going to an artist and telling him you want to commission two paintings. You describe what you want. He calls a week later and says the paintings are done and states the fee of 5k. You tell him you don't have the money yet. The artist says to just put a 2.5k deposit down. You say you don't have it but will pay him later.

Another person visits his studio and wants the two paintings. The artists says it was made for someone else. The person asks the price. The artist says it was 5k but no money was put down. The person says he'll pay 10k right now.

Who the hell can fault the painter for selling?

You can't claim ownership of what you haven't paid for and can't tell someone to hold an item when there's money ready to exchange hands.

 

[kingofnyc]

nobody came around to what you are saying, because what you are saying is so incredibly stupid.
He did't get to go to the carribean so he lost? how?
lol
He got paid double.
I doubt puff gave any of those folks a percentage of revenue from sales, they most likely got a fixed fee for the product. So what do sales matter to them?

if lying to yourself make you feel better than do you?

 

[Controversy]

It's a classic song for LL

But one could only imagine the flows biggie would've unlocked

The production was absolutely suited for big

I just needed the hook to stay the same

She representing Queens, I was raised out in Brooklyn

 

[kingofnyc]

Big got emotional by leaving threatening messages. It's cool if he felt a way about Rashad but he should have directed his anger at Puff for not putting up the money. Instead of refusing to speak to Rashad he could of gotten co-producer credit and make money off of LL's songs.

Rashad still did tracks for Bad Boy and even Junior Mafia after that so only Big held a grudge and got in the way of business.

Threatening somebody is not getting emotion when they’re basically stole your idea which potentially would’ve made you lots of money

and you and the other poster continuously ignore the simple fact that Rashid was told upfront before anything was anything that biggies budget wasn’t set

And those records that you’re talking about him producing were most likely paid for or at the same time as this incident

So he needs to wait for the budget to clear to make two beats?

Producers make beats and then the artist pays for them. He made them and called Puff for the deposit like he was supposed to.

Let's not ignore that there was still the possibility of Big getting those beats and either not using them, sitting on them, or the songs not making the album. LL paying double negates any negatives because he keeps that deposit which equals his entire fee for both beats if Big got them.

Like I already posted he had 2 options
Option 1 = wait for biggie’s budget to clear and then do the track
Option 2 = do the track that biggie requested and then put it in the safe until his budget was clear



and when did he exactly say he called puff for the deposit he was supposed to
when I heard him say he thought puff should have given him a deposit



And it’s irrelevant if the tracks would be used or not the fact that he was paid is all that counts

 

[Flawdaboi]

https://x.com/blaccmassxx/status/1957202107552911573

 

[Knicksman20]

https://x.com/blaccmassxx/status/1957202107552911573

Nikkas can't tell me hearing this mix that Big wouldn't have floated over this beat & made it a classic

He was way too nice on the mic not to of