Bill Belichick Decaying Before Our Eyes Breh

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Brady had absolutely nothing to do with holding the best teams in the league to 17, 29, 21, 17, 21, 24, 28, and 3 points in the biggest game of the year.

Anyone who thinks the QB does it all in a 24-21 win doesn't know shyt about football.
nikka, did you just list 29, 21, 24 and 28 as some sort of legendary defensive performances in the fukking super bowl? That’s about the average score of the losing team over the past decade or so.
 
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How are they overstated? Did he play like a 6th round pick? Did he not make the pro bowl his first year as a starter? Did he not lead the NFL in TD passes his first full season starting? Did he not have multiple SB MVPs? Brady signed team-friendly extensions multiple times even after he was the most decorated quarterback in football. It matters a whole lot unless you have a bunch of young killers on defense on cheap contracts that you got in later rounds. Tom Brady taking less is how you keep Devin McCourty and extend the Moss’ of the world. It’s how you have that little extra to give Gilmore big money. The Chiefs gave Mahomes that extension but the big money doesn’t kick in yet and when it does they will have to make the same choices the Seahawks had to make.
No they won’t because they’re probably gonna do what most teams(including the Patriots) with long term QBs do which is restructure the deal so that they can spread the cap hit over future years and give him money up front. Which is the reason his pay cuts are overrated and that qb salaries don’t matter, it’s just massaging the salary cap.

Seahawks had to make the decisions they made because LOB started getting hurt
 
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nikka, did you just list 29, 21, 24 and 28 as some sort of legendary defensive performances in the fukking super bowl? That’s about the average score of the losing team.
Notice how I listed 8 scores, and the WORST 4 of those are still the average score of the LOSING team?

If Brady was overcoming the average score of the WINNING team in half his Super Bowl victories, then you might have an argument for him carrying them to shyt. The fact that NE had 4 Super Bowl appearances where they held the other team to "average losing scores" and then 4 more Super Bowl appearances where they held the opponent to "extremely low scores" means that Belicheck's defenses gave Brady a very good shot to win on 8 occasions. There was only 1 game where the defense didn't put them in a position to win. And he still failed a couple times and needed epic luck to win a couple others.

If you give the average Super Bowl QB the same offense/coaching as Brady got and the same target score to beat, they're probably going to win 5-6 out of those 9 chances.
 

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I’m not as hard on him as some others in here are being but a lot of teams had periods where they drafted much better than us and assembled strong teams for periods of time - it’s why people often predicted us to lose and then we just kept defying the odds so they just assumed that we would figure it out. He’s been given the benefit of doubt to correct mistakes because 3 SBs in 4 years will buy you that. This “team building” your talking about is predicated on Brady getting paid less than his peers. If Brady made Peyton and Brees money, what then?

You didn't answer my question breh. Who are these GMs that have better track record than Beli the past 19 years? And are we also now using the fact that Belichick convinced Brady not to break the bank as an argument against Belichick being a good GM?:skip:
 

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Pretty much the season he makes a big signing, he either has his team winning the Super Bowl or going 18-0 before the offense sputtered in the Super Bowl. He's decaying and is not a good though.:mjlol:.
 

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And, people need to stop acting like Brady was always taking less, or taking less for no reason. His contracts were restructured, and him taking "less" allowed him to be on a TEAM that could always be competitive.
 

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I'm just curious.

Many of these players that BeliGOAT has "let go early", how did they end up doing? Oh, most ended up being overpaid (relative to production) and didn't do shyt after they left. That is an incredibly important part of being a GM, knowing when to let someone go.
 

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Sort of unrelated but...
I'm happy to see the L Josh McDaniels is taking. :mjgrin:
Pats are bottom five team on offense. shyt was sweet when you ditched the Colts to run back to New England, look at you now :scust:

I completely understand if he never gets hired as a HC outside of New England.
 

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Why are nikkas acting like drafting is the only thing a GM does? Beli is a mediocre draft evaluator but he's on another level when it comes to evaluating underachieving talent on other teams. I think he has trouble bridging that gap between the pros and college. But once a player is in the NFl, there's no one better at understanding a players strengths and weaknesses. That's why he is the GOAT at taking away a teams number 1 weapon and the GOAT at picking up no name journeymen and making them pivotal players on superbowl teams.

Poor drafter does not equal poor GM.
 

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I’m a Washington fan, I have no dog in this fight. Placing the coach above great players is ridiculous in a sport where a player handles the football on every snap/play.

Walsh didn’t make Montana
Levy didn’t make Kelly
Carroll didn’t make Russ
Phil didn’t make Jordan, Shaq or Kobe
Beli didn’t make Brady
Pop didn’t make Duncan
Coaches didn’t make Bron


You see how coaches do without great players? They rarely win. Players play the game, great players are a product of their own hard work and greatness. Coaches don’t make GOAT level players GOAT level. They provide opportunity and get the f—- out of the way.
This is why I say Beli is a little arrogant. The coach is never more important than the player. This should be rule #1 for any coach in any sport. Never think you're bigger than the players. You're not. Even if you're the GOAT coach
 

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This is why I say Beli is a little arrogant. The coach is never more important than the player. This should be rule #1 for any coach in any sport. Never think you're bigger than the players. You're not. Even if you're the GOAT coach
Poppovich is learning this the hard way the last few years.
 

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Why are nikkas acting like drafting is the only thing a GM does? Beli is a mediocre draft evaluator but he's on another level when it comes to evaluating underachieving talent on other teams. I think he has trouble bridging that gap between the pros and college. But once a player is in the NFl, there's no one better at understanding a players strengths and weaknesses. That's why he is the GOAT at taking away a teams number 1 weapon and the GOAT at picking up no name journeymen and making them pivotal players on superbowl teams.

Poor drafter does not equal poor GM.

I still can't get on board with calling him a poor drafter. He's had poor drafts, but every GM has. He doesn't go for a gamebreaker every year as he just tries to fill the holes with players that can do many things. It is not easy to be a top team and draft like a top team year in and year out.

Wins since 2001 by year:

Steelers: 13, 10, 6, 15, 11, 8, 10, 12, 9, 12, 12, 8, 8, 11, 10, 11, 13, 9, 8

Ravens: 10, 7, 10, 9, 6, 13, 5, 11, 9, 12, 12, 10, 8, 10, 5, 8, 9, 10, 14

Seahawks: 9, 7, 10, 9, 13, 9, 10, 4, 5, 7, 7, 11, 13, 12, 10, 10, 9, 10, 11

Patriots: 11, 9, 14, 14, 10, 12, 16, 11, 10, 14, 13, 12, 12, 12, 12, 14, 13, 11, 12


16: NE
15: Pitt
14: SEA, NE (X4)
13: Pitt (X2), BAL, SEA (X2), NE (X2)
12: Pitt (X3), BAL (X2), SEA, NE (X6)
11: Pitt (X3), BAL, SEA, NE (X3)
10: Pitt (X3), BAL (X5), SEA (X5), NE (X2)
9: Pitt (X2), BAL (X3), SEA (X4), NE


8: Pitt (X4), BAL (X2)
7: BAL, SEA (X3)
6: Pitt, BAL,
5: BAL (X2), SEA
4: SEA


The Steelers have finished with eight or fewer wins five times...........Ravens six times............Seahawks five times..............Patriots ZERO times.

It's even more lopsided if we want to use nine games as the cutoff as Pittsburgh will have won nine or fewer games seven times.......Seahawks nine times..........Ravens nine times............Patriots ONCE!
 
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