Discussion in 'The Coliseum' started by DetroitEWarren, Oct 25, 2020.
fukk next year we talking bout right now
Brady carried the pats for a decade brehs. they never bothered to give brady a legit WR cuz they know brady would figure shyt out.
beli is great, but he needs his elite QB. Cam will be fine down the road, but Beli must fit Cam's style and adapt. and give him a damn weapon. i mean i really feel sorry for Cam cuz he ain't got nobody.
Cam is a nobody. Matt Cassell had success in the Beli system with no weapons. Y'all are caping for Cam like yall say they do WQB's. Scam is done. He been a fraud. He got exposed in the Super Bowl and never recovered.
Cassel had Randy moss and Wes welker breh.
that 08 Pats were loaded as fuk. and Cassel took chiefs to a playoffs. so i know he sucks, but he had his moments.
Cam needs weapons to thrive. he ain't elite. he is the guy who can be good in a good situation. and let's give him a break. he was looking good then Covid happened. i hope they right the ship and get it right. this is a last audition for Cam.
All Pats needed was bring back AB, keep Gronk, and TB12 would've stayed. Beli is a great coach, but his ego was the key for this break up.
People just making up shyt now
A team coming off 18-0 season had no weapons
Cam is a bum
The only good ones were David Givens (7th rd) kinda, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman and Malcom Mitchell. And I'm being generous.
This is over 20 seasons.
Steelers receivers alone since 2000:
Heinz Ward was the 92nd pick, 3rd
Antonio Brown was the 195th, 6th round
Diontae Johnson 66th pick, 3rd round
Emmanuel Sanders 82nd overall, 3rd round
Antwan Randle El was 62nd overall, end of the 2nd round
Mike Wallace was 84 overall, mid-late 3rd rounder
Santonio Holmes was a 25th overall at the end of the 1st round - btw, the Patriots could have gotten him. Who did they get? Lawrence Maroney, a BUST. (we could have gotten Mercedes Lewis and Joseph Addai as well).
Juju Smith Schuster was the 62nd pick, at the end of the 2nd round
Plaxico Buress is the only high pick here. (8th overall).
That's a pretty damn good list of receivers, nearly all of them were not high picks. Were all of them the #1 receiver in the league? No. But they were very productive for their teams. And Belichick could have gotten most of them. And the problem is that Belichick's players were nowhere near very productive. Seriously, look at what I posted above!!
How is it even an argument? Do I REALLY have to post examples of Ravens players? Or other skill position players on the Steelers? Like, come on, everyone knows this.
Malcolm Mitchell's Wikipedia page lists him as an author, poet and then a former NFL WR. I think you are being very generous
You're moving the goalposts. Now you're just cherry-picking positions. I never mentioned one position, and retaining your draft talent is a major factor in the quality of a GM.
But, I'll play along.
Mike Wallace; Four seasons
Emmanuel Sanders: Four seasons
Santonio Holmes: Four seasons
Antwan Randle El: Four seasons (not counting 2010)
JuJu Smith-Shuster: 552 yards in his first season without Brown (736 pace over 16 games) and on a similar pace this season.
This is crazy. These sensational WR's all had long and storied careers with the Steelers..
Wait, the Steelers weren't able to retain and re-sign their talent?.
Reread my post. I already addressed this.
"Were all of them the #1 receiver in the league? No. But they were very productive for their teams. And Belichick could have gotten most of them. And the problem is that Belichick's players were nowhere near very productive."
They didn't have to all be Antonio Brown level. But they weren't failures like 75% of the receivers Belichick had drafted were. Again, the Patriots could have gotten Santonio Holmes and Mercedes Lewis but they got Lawrence Maroney, a bust.
And I'm not moving goalposts. I used receivers as an example, because you asked me to bring up examples of how teams like the Ravens and Steelers have been able to find talent without drafting high at the beginning of rounds. I chose Steelers receivers as an example.
I could have done running backs, defense, etc.
Everyone knows this. Belichick isn't that good of a GM.
AGAIN, I'm NOT saying he needed to get top 5 level players at every position. The issue is that too many of them are failures for such a large sample size.
And thats bad given the expectations we hold Belichick to.
Everyone knows Belichick has not drafted well with WR's, and I'm not saying he has. However, there are multiple ways to acquire talent. He got Moss, Welker, Lloyd, and Cooks. None of them were drafted by Belichick.
I did re-read it a minute ago and responded below my post you quoted. Again, I'm not saying Belichick is good at drafting WR's. He doesn't need to try to draft for an elite player at one position. He drafts to find players that can fill multiple voids.
Of course. I just feel like as a pure talent evaluator, he's not great. He has to rely too much on stockpiling depreciated assets in free agency and hoping they work out, and now that Brady is gone, those misses stick out more.
We'll see of course as the season goes on.
He isn't great at that it's easy to build a team around not only a great qb but one that's willing to take pay cuts .. nikkas had Belichick feeling him self wayyyy too much now look