Sadbrownsfan
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Was cam asymptotic or did he actually get sick?
Bill Belichick Decaying Before Our Eyes Breh
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Look, Bill usually does two things as a drafter: Rarely miss on his first round pick, and absolutely waste 80% of his second rounders. Known fact.
He knows how to build his team (as he gets tons of value 4-7 and that's what makes the Pats successful) but hes got too many misses in the 30-60 range year after year to be considered a great drafter. Ossie Newsome he's not.
As for him and Brady, well, he's below .500 without him the past 20 years (Since 2000, Belichick has been without Brady as his quarterback for 44 games (2000, two games in 2001, 2008, four games in 2016 and 2020). The Patriots are 21-23 in that span.
Having a all time great at the most important position, who rarely makes many mental mistakes, and is salary cap friendly for 20 years gave Belly a huge advantage against other coaches, lets be plain about it. The other great QB's still wanted to be paid top dollar and always made the GM/Coach have to cut corners elsewhere on their rosters after a window.
He knows how to build his team (as he gets tons of value 4-7 and that's what makes the Pats successful) but hes got too many misses in the 30-60 range year after year to be considered a great drafter. Ossie Newsome he's not.
As for him and Brady, well, he's below .500 without him the past 20 years (Since 2000, Belichick has been without Brady as his quarterback for 44 games (2000, two games in 2001, 2008, four games in 2016 and 2020). The Patriots are 21-23 in that span.
Having a all time great at the most important position, who rarely makes many mental mistakes, and is salary cap friendly for 20 years gave Belly a huge advantage against other coaches, lets be plain about it. The other great QB's still wanted to be paid top dollar and always made the GM/Coach have to cut corners elsewhere on their rosters after a window.
I approve of this slanderous energy
feelosofer
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Bill Belichick the coach is still the arguable GOAT
Bill Belichick the GM (he basically is in all but title) is just a so-so evaluator of talent and it showed the past few years.
Bill Belichick the GM (he basically is in all but title) is just a so-so evaluator of talent and it showed the past few years.
SadimirPutin
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Coli really has the worst sports takes i have ever seen
That doesn't counter the pointPast 19 years Pats went to 9 SBs and won 6 of them, been division champs 17 times including 11 straight
Teams Beli put together. And he isn't a good GM?
Him winning super bowls doesn't mean he's a great GM
Pats fans will tell you that Belichick's drafting is NOT his strong suit. I'm also trying to argue that his free agent signings are also low risk gambles (since he is getting players whose value dropped, like Cam Newton and hoping they work out).
He can still be a good situational football coach, good at gameplanning, good at preparation, discipline, etc.
Copy Ninja
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That doesn't counter the point
Him winning super bowls doesn't mean he's a great GM
Pats fans will tell you that Belichick's drafting is NOT his strong suit. I'm also trying to argue that his free agent signings are also low risk gambles (since he is getting players whose value dropped, like Cam Newton and hoping they work out).
He can still be a good situational football coach, good at gameplanning, good at preparation, discipline, etc.
Breh the team he put together won SBs and was a contender for 19 straight years. What other measure do you need to judge GMs other than the success of the teams they put together?
What other GM has put together teams the past 19 years that measure up to what Beli has done?
Breh the team he put together won SBs and was a contender for 19 straight years. What other measure do you need to judge GMs other than the success of the teams they put together?
What other GM has put together teams the past 19 years that measure up to what Beli has done?
They keep talking about drafting as if that's the only part of being a GM. I'll try and give a more detailed response later, but his drafting is not as poor as many make it seem.
He is contending for Super Bowls EVERY year. The Raves, Steelers, and Seahawks since 2000 have NOT been competing every year.
That's where the Brady effect comes in. The Ravens had Trent Difler, Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco, etc. If the Steelers had Tom Brady for 20 years and let him throw to Heinz Ward, Mike Wallace, Antwan Randle-El, while handing it off to Jerome Bettis, you don't think they'd eventually get 6?
Breh the team he put together won SBs and was a contender for 19 straight years. What other measure do you need to judge GMs other than the success of the teams they put together?
What other GM has put together teams the past 19 years that measure up to what Beli has done?
My point is saying super bowls is too simplistic because it leaves out the fact that Tom Brady was a buffer for a lot that.
I will no longer say that he is a bad GM. I will admit that that is an exaggeration. But you can still win super bowls without being that good GM, and that's because he hit on Brady. Is that not a fair assessment?
THE MACHINE
night owl
Side with coaches over players brehs 
Think a QB winning Super Bowls while completing passes to midgets that get 6 inches of separation is the coaches doing brehs
Ignore Beli's record without Tom brehs
Ignore a 16-0 nearly unstoppable machine of a team going 10-5 while missing the playoffs without its QB brehs.....and spend the next 12 years pretending it was a great season
Ignore a coach benching his starting all-pro CB in a SB and giving up 373 yards, 3 tds and taking the L to a journeyman QB brehs
Lie to yourself and the world and call the QB "a system QB" for 20 years and still not be able to define what the system is brehs
Think a QB winning Super Bowls while completing passes to midgets that get 6 inches of separation is the coaches doing brehs
Ignore Beli's record without Tom brehs
Ignore a 16-0 nearly unstoppable machine of a team going 10-5 while missing the playoffs without its QB brehs.....and spend the next 12 years pretending it was a great season
Ignore a coach benching his starting all-pro CB in a SB and giving up 373 yards, 3 tds and taking the L to a journeyman QB brehs
Lie to yourself and the world and call the QB "a system QB" for 20 years and still not be able to define what the system is brehs
supertrekker
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Remove Beli and Tuna doesn't have much. Bill Walsh has Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, Paul Hackett, Jim Fassel and Dennis Green, Mike Shanahan, Jeff Fisher, Brian Billick, Jon Gruden, Mike McCarthy, Steve Mariucci, Andy Ried, Gary Kubiak, Jim and John Harbaugh.
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Copy Ninja
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Why would you use Brady to argue against Belichick's ability to put a team together when he's the one who drafted Brady and put a team around him that competed for SBs for 19 straight years?
Apprentice
RIP Doughboy Roc
Hindsight 20/20 on half those receivers you named
Hollywood already got picked,
Aiyuk wasn’t even in the 2019 draft and When they was both in college N’Keal was better and it wasn’t even close so I’m not understanding what you’re saying exactly
The NFL draft is a guessing game, a crapshoot. Picking N’Keal over those guys is not like picking Tribusky over Watson
