Bill Simmons says he'll take Nash ahead of Iverson

[10bandz]

you nikkas are trying to hard with this shyt

No you’re just a cac that can’t face the truth. The post you quoted is all facts. What part am I making up? You wanna talk basketball than talk it. What systems outside of MDA did Nash play like a superstar player in? What legitimate reason is there for Nash to take so long take off? Why did he lose a starting battle to Robert Pack? I’m not trying to hard I’m laying facts down. AI accomplished more
with less, played elite ball longer than Nash and did it on many teams.

The thread was about Bill Simmons DRAFTING Nash instead of AI....YOU have NO legit case for saying you’d draft a guy who wasn’t an all star until 27 and wasn’t elite until 30 over a guy who was 23.5/7.5 his rookie year and got to the finals in his 5th season.

Don’t get mad cuz I’m calling out cacs/lames/whoever....that’s what you cornballs do to deflect from the fact you’re exposing yourselves.....draft a “late bloomer” who couldn’t start over Robert Pack im his 4th season over AI brehs....

 

[mr. smoke weed]

best hes prob the best player ai played with... and he would come off the bench if we rate him as a nash teamate

Mutombo was DPOY when he played with AI. What you smoking bro.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I’m not sure how we’re supposed to shyt on Nash for failing to make it to the finals in the West, when AI went out there, teamed up with a young star and only won one playoff game.

You gotta understand nikkas in the hood used to and still suck A.I. off

It was the cornrows and Timbs...

A dude like @10bandz probably never met his father so you know he sucks A.I. off

 

[10bandz]

You gotta understand nikkas in the hood used to and still suck A.I. off

It was the cornrows and Timbs...

A dude like @10bandz probably never met his father so you know

look at this cac y’all.

Call a black man fatherless cuz he prefers AI over a cac who wasn’t a star until he was 31 brehs


Insinuate people only like AI because of “cornrows and timbs” brehs


Keep exposing yourself

 

[Joe Sixpack]

look at this cac y’all.

Call a black man fatherless cuz he prefers AI over a cac who wasn’t a star until he was 31 brehs


Insinuate people only like AI because of “cornrows and timbs” brehs


Keep exposing yourself

You gahbage

This fatherless nikka callin people CAC cause they not blindly suckin AI dikk

fukkin faghot

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

look at this cac y’all.

Call a black man fatherless cuz he prefers AI over a cac who wasn’t a star until he was 31 brehs


Insinuate people only like AI because of “cornrows and timbs” brehs


Keep exposing yourself

He’s a Lakers fan too!

 

[10bandz]

You gahbage

“Gahbage” huh? Keep exposing yourself

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Lmao how did Ray Allen enter this debate? Dude is a Robin through and through, you can't put him in conversation with these guys...

Nash and Iverson are similar stature, neither was much better than the other. You can't have a real conversation about Iverson without nikkas getting in their feelings, as evidenced in this thread, because he was an icon to most black kids that grew up watching him...

All the points about why you shouldn't choose either have already been presented, I'll just add this. Iverson, a superstar, played in the weakest conference and weakest era in the entire history of the NBA for pretty much his entire prime. In his prime, he led his team to:

•('99) equivalent of 46 wins, 6-seed, swept from 2nd Rd
•('00) 49 wins, 5-seed, 2nd Rd exit
•('01) 56 wins, 1-seed, L Finals
•('02) 43 wins, 6-seed, L 1st Rd
•('03) 48 wins, 4-seed, L 2nd Rd
•('04) team went 19-29 (.396) with him, 14-20 (.412) without him, missed playoffs
•('05) 43 wins, 7-seed, L 1st Rd
•('06) 38 wins, missed playoffs

Iverson was an inefficient Kyrie, before there was a Kyrie. That '01 year was lightning in a bottle, he never elevated a team to the ECF again, remember, in the weakest era of basketball history. He was excitement and captivating but that '01 run was a one-off...

Conversely, Nash was an elite point for two of the best offensive coaches of all time. I don't have an issue with an assertion Nash was a system player, but I think you then have to point out Nash's adaptability and ease of fitting pieces around him. His prime started later than Iverson's, but also lasted longer...

Ultimately they are in the same class of greatness. Like someone up thread mentioned, some of yall gotta stop acting like hoes because someone prefers a different HOFer. They were both great players. I think Nash was slightly better, but I grew up idolizing Iverson because well, that's what all black kids did growing up in the 00s, pretty much...

Tons of points to be made on both sides. Basketball is also about moments for better or for worse. AI got that team to The Finals going mano e mano with the best version of Vince Carter we ever got and a Big 3 Bucks squad that was probably the best Bucks squad in 20 years practically till Giannis/Bud

Plus let’s face it. AI’s legacy is intertwined with the greatness of that 01 Lakers

That team went on such an impossible run that it was only natural that a one man band of a team beating them under such a microscope in their gym while the world was watching THE WAY AI did...

Nash doesn’t have a moment like that baseline jumper on his resume.

In a weird way if the 76ers would have taken another game off The Lakers maybe the perception about AI changes because it would for The Lakers. There would be some people that believed if the series ended 4-2 maybe The Lakers could have been beat.

Instead the one off win goes down as a Herculean effort against an inevitable team

Interesting shyt

 

[Torrential]

AI played in the east..



lmao nikka AI couldn’t shoot like Nash what you talking about

He absolutely could . You nitpicking his FG percentage that little nikka faced triple teams that's why it's lower than Nash's. AI was a 30ppg player in his prime. Don't play semantics bruh. AI was completely superior on offense than Nash. It's not even a discussion

 

[10bandz]

Tons of points to be made on both sides. Basketball is also about moments for better or for worse. AI got that team to The Finals going mano e mano with the best version of Vince Carter we ever got and a Big 3 Bucks squad that was probably the best Bucks squad in 20 years practically till Giannis/Bud

Plus let’s face it. AI’s legacy is intertwined with the greatness of that 01 Lakers

That team went on such an impossible run that it was only natural that a one man band of a team beating them under such a microscope in their gym while the world was watching THE WAY AI did...

Nash doesn’t have a moment like that baseline jumper on his resume.

In a weird way if the 76ers would have taken another game off The Lakers maybe the perception about AI changes because it would for The Lakers. There would be some people that believed if the series ended 4-2 maybe The Lakers could have been beat.

Instead the one off win goes down as a Herculean effort against an inevitable team

Interesting shyt

If AI has another star on his team in 01 the Sixers probably take another game that series. Probably would’ve won one of the home games

 

[staticshock]

He absolutely could . You nitpicking his FG percentage that little nikka faced triple teams that's why it's lower than Nash's. AI was a 30ppg player in his prime. Don't play semantics bruh. AI was completely superior on offense than Nash. It's not even a discussion

AI himself would tell you Nash was a better shooter than him.

AI was a better scorer no doubt, but Nash could shoot better.

 

[murksiderock]

Tons of points to be made on both sides. Basketball is also about moments for better or for worse. AI got that team to The Finals going mano e mano with the best version of Vince Carter we ever got and a Big 3 Bucks squad that was probably the best Bucks squad in 20 years practically till Giannis/Bud

Plus let’s face it. AI’s legacy is intertwined with the greatness of that 01 Lakers

That team went on such an impossible run that it was only natural that a one man band of a team beating them under such a microscope in their gym while the world was watching THE WAY AI did...

Nash doesn’t have a moment like that baseline jumper on his resume.

In a weird way if the 76ers would have taken another game off The Lakers maybe the perception about AI changes because it would for The Lakers. There would be some people that believed if the series ended 4-2 maybe The Lakers could have been beat.

Instead the one off win goes down as a Herculean effort against an inevitable team

Interesting shyt

Oh I def agree that a lot of things are circumstantial. That '01 run was herculean, and I have no problem saluting AI's moments. We can't find it acceptable to shyt on the East, particularly the '00s East which is the weakest conference since probably the '70s at least, we can't shyt on that conference when its "cool" to do so in other instances, yet give other superstars passes for playing against the same competition...

No other point in his career where he was The Man, did Iverson ever lead another 50-win team. Never got back to a conference finals. That's an indictment, granted how heavily one weighs it is subjective. But it's an indictment on Iverson's playing style and his inability to sustain high level greatness in the postseason...

Again though, obviously I think Iverson was a great player. I think he maximized his squads to the best of his ability, but didn't maximize his own talents, because he was talented enough to be better than one 50-win season in his entire prime in the weakest East in NBA history. He was more talented than that, and yet, the results are what they are. As someone else pointed out, it's not a secret that he was rigid in his style of play and difficult to build around...

This doesn't mean Nash was better, and I find them in the same range of superstar anyway, but those do cost AI points in a head to head debate...

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I hate when y'all fall back on the lazy ass "You're white and/or don't live in the projects if you think this" nonsense. What you're basically saying is you want your little echo chamber and will slap the most extreme label possible on anyone outside of it.

 

[ManBearPig]

He absolutely could . You nitpicking his FG percentage that little nikka faced triple teams that's why it's lower than Nash's. AI was a 30ppg player in his prime. Don't play semantics bruh. AI was completely superior on offense than Nash. It's not even a discussion

Iverson wasnt as good as Nash in terms of shooting the rock.

Stop it

 

[Long Live The Kane]

If Nash and AI are supposed to be on the same level of players, I’m gonna need to see more critique of Nash being on STACKED squads damn the entirety of his career and NOT WINNING shyt...cause it sure seems to me that AI is the only one of the two that’s getting judged by the standards we actually hold top guys to...while Nash is instead elevated for a couple of years of low volume high efficiency shooting splits, and “leading” a team with multiple other all nba players to empty suit “all time great offenses” that was getting eliminated in the 2nd round and shyt lol...the east-west conference disparity is not enough to explain away the huge gap in talent they played with and still have Nash treated with kiddie gloves .::Nash is one of a select few players that gets best of both world treatment