Bill Simmons says he'll take Nash ahead of Iverson

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I hate when y'all fall back on the lazy ass "You're white and/or don't live in the projects if you think this" nonsense. What you're basically saying is you want your little echo chamber and will slap the most extreme label possible on anyone outside of it.


Nah... it just reinforces the historical bias that whites have against black athletes, especially the ones that have skillsets that they can't relate to..... this isn't even debatable.....
 

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This is not that outlandish and I love how so many people are hitching their arguments to AI's 01 Finals run which was right up their as the most overrated run of all time with LeBron in 2007. Kobe 2008 Finals run was more impressive than both
 
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You're telling this to a black guy. The talking points y'all retreat to are fundamentally childish.

So racism is childish to you? That's the meat of the talking point.......... it should be obvious for a black guy... :childplease:

Now, we can go into any era of sports history, and bias against black athletes whether overt/covert has always been present..... as a self proclaimed nikka, this should be known history on your part...

There is no basketball logic to prove that Nash>> AI... unless you're just bias in Nash favor because he's white....
 
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This is not that outlandish and I love how so many people are hitching their arguments to AI's 01 Finals run which was right up their as the most overrated run of all time with LeBron in 2007. Kobe 2008 Finals run was more impressive than both


Perhaps overrated, but then consider A couple year win-nothing run that saw the SSOL Suns actually not amount to shyt but a mid-aughts version of the DeRozen era Raptors with a media agenda got muhfukkas saying with a straight face that Nash > AI

It's all relative
 

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Y’all really pick and choose when being in a weak East matters for y’all. Or when playoff performances stop mattering.

I saw Nash give teams buckets in the playoffs, take games over, and pick apart offenses. You couldn’t really take anything away from him.
Love the fact that the same people criticizing Nash over who he played with are also not addressing the weak East AI went through once and never got out again.
 

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I hate when y'all fall back on the lazy ass "You're white and/or don't live in the projects if you think this" nonsense. What you're basically saying is you want your little echo chamber and will slap the most extreme label possible on anyone outside of it.


And I hate when people fall back on that “don’t call me a cac because all I care about is FG% and that gives me leeway to downplay real ballers” nonsense. Hella pages and still no evidence of Nash being elite in anything other than MDAs system. No evidence of Nash being elite even close to as long as AI. No competent explanation of how it makes sense to draft someone who takes 6-7 years to get going over someone who balled out as a rookie and balled out on several teams/coaches.

Someone in this thread even said Nash is on CP3 level. nikkas can’t just say whatever they want and fall on that “it’s just my opinion bro!!“ shyt. That is cac shyt and y’all can play the holier the thou “I’m too good to call someone a cac” thing all you want it doesn’t change from the obvious. Nash is NOT on the same tier as AI it’s not a toss up neither. And you can get made at the race card all you want, no black guy can have the career trajectory of nash and be considered elite. Nash was a good player who was great for a while in a specific system. AI was a great player, period, that’s who he was from day 1 to the last day. To suggest otherwise is suspect
This is not that outlandish and I love how so many people are hitching their arguments to AI's 01 Finals run which was right up their as the most overrated run of all time with LeBron in 2007. Kobe 2008 Finals run was more impressive than both


It’s not just about 01, AIs whole career is just better even before 01 he was a superstar for 4 seasons. 01 was just his most memorable moment but AI came into the league as that nikka. And you can’t just discount 01 cuz at the end of the day he did his thing in that run and had an all time great moment in G1 Finals. Nash couldn’t do that it’s simple as that.

I do agree with what you said about Kobe’s 2008 run though :lolbron::salute:
 

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Nash is one of a select few players that gets best of both world treatment

Your whole post was fax but this right here is exactly what I’m talking about and we all know why....but brehs wanna play stupid ”don’t call me a cac this is an echo chamber” :snoop:
 

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Love the fact that the same people criticizing Nash over who he played with are also not addressing the weak East AI went through once and never got out again.

He was in a weak East but he also had a weak cast. The Bucks had a better squad and he got passed em in 6 games. You can say the conference was weak but Nash would not have made it to the Finals in 01 like AI did.

Plus if AI was on the Suns in that era he possibly makes the Finals at least once and maybe even wins. In 07 maybe they take care of the Spurs and get passed the Jazz and Cavs. Remember a lot of people thought the Suns were better that year but they got screwed over when Amare got suspended. A lot of people thought the Suns got robbed that year because of that. In the game Amare didn’t play Steve was 6-19 for 19 pts and they only scored 85 pts and lost by 3. I’m sure if AI is there instead of Nash he manages to score A LOT more pts even if it’s on bad shooting. And in MDAs offense he would’ve been getting hella dimes.
 
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