Cobalt Sire
All Star
He's telling the truth for FBA. Pay attention to the thread, fool.
Black enrollment is waning at many elite colleges after affirmative action ban
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dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Nope, just discussing perspectives.Nah, I feel you!
There will always be levels to success and succeeding but I don't feel that society as it stands now really addresses that kinda stuff.
I can agree that it's really terrible that we're facing these attacks on affirmative action.
I can agree that the university is a tool for upward mobility and even more so in the case of elite institutions.
I largely agree with you, we're both products of education and what it means (though, as I've stated before, I've never
attended a truly "elite" university and instead always opted for the lowest cost option for myself while navigating
a rough background/upbringing).
I just feel the very idea of Universities as prestige factories is something we should think about and consider if it's even something we should
have in the first place.
Forgive me if my last post came off as super hostile or anything.
You're a very dope poster.
No. I graduated from an HBCU and I am doing well. I know and I see multiple FBAs who graduated from HBCU's and are successful.
We just came back from the Las Vegas HBCU Classic, where Grambling, my alma mater, beat Jackson St. While at the game I met multiple successful FBAs from both Grambling St. and Jackson St, who flew and drove to Las Vegas from multiple parts of the United States:
The perception that FBAs have to graduate from a PWI is a lie. I know more unsuccessful Black people who graduated from PWI's more than HBCUs.
I hate to break it to you but the jobs you get from your HBCU are not the job somebody from Harvard gets.
For example
as a law student from an HBCU you are good to go to any normal law firm. But you're basically locked out of getting a clerkship under the supreme Court if you're not from Yale , Harvard, colombia, etc . Well the difficulty is surmountable, It's also unnecessarily difficult. It's these networks that make it integral that the best of the best are able to go to the posh west coast and east ivies. Without those clerkships, It becomes exponentially more difficult to get federal appeal judge positions , supreme court positions, or spots at Kirkland Ellis.
And it's not just law, It affects
a bunch of other critical industries That affect black society. certain industries like banking and lobbying are revolving doors between government positions at the fed, treasury and entities like Goldman sachs and Akin Grump Strauss. You are basically not getting these higher level positions in these firms without being part of their professional network.
This also stretches into science.
When the key discovery like the atom bomb needs to be created, HBCUs are not invited to the room. You're seeing something very similar today with the AI revolution. Take a close look at the teams at OpenAI and Nvidia, And notice a distinct absence of HBCUs on their resumes. But notice they all seem to share a few key institutions That they recruit from. This is key structural knowledge that black society needs to be competitive, that even our brightest minds at Howard or Spellman or Xavier cannot touch at their HbCUs
When someone makes a break through on fusion power production or quantum computing, we really really need a black person in that room at berkley, MIT, or yale
When someone makes a break through on fusion power production or quantum computing, we really really need a black person in that room at berkley, MIT, or yale
I agree with you that HBCUs are sufficient for general education and for normal activity in the economy. They are also very good for their individual cities because they have a local network of professionals. But there are strategically significant positions in America for black society which are impossible to get into from an HBCU.
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O.T.I.S.
Veteran
Hit dogs holla
Vote how you want dumbass nikka, stop trying to act like there’s some real logic behind the shyt.
These are your tangibles bum.. If you cool with that cool.. Who you trying to convince though?
Other than that, idgaf if you even exist
Cobalt Sire
All Star
You do care that I exist, because you keep crying about our stance, you loser. The logic is to get something in return for our vote, you idiot. I don't care if your tether ass gets nothing out of it, fukkin clown.Hit dogs holla
Vote how you want dumbass nikka, stop trying to act like there’s some real logic behind the shyt.
These are your tangibles bum.. If you cool with that cool.. Who you trying to convince though?
Other than that, idgaf if you even exist
Bunchy Carter
I'll Take The Money Over The Honey
LoL You are not breaking anything to me, because I have worked shoulder to shoulder with Non-Black people who graduated from Ivy League (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc) schools with my lil ol' HBCU degree.
Black Harvard graduates have the same shot at a job call-back as white state college grads
Black Harvard graduates have the same shot at a job call-back as white state college grads
Racism is so pervasive in the US job market that even black Americans with Harvard degrees are at a disadvantage, according a 2014 study in the journal Social Forces (highlighted in Inside Higher Ed).
Black students who graduate from institutions like Harvard University are about as likely to get a well-paid job as a white graduate from a less-selective state university, new study finds.
Elite college degrees give black graduates little advantage in job market
Black students who graduate from institutions like Harvard University are about as likely to get a well-paid job as a white graduate from a less-selective state university, new study finds.
This is another poster who does not know what they are talking about.
Nope that's a straw man argument. Those aren't the jobs I'm talking about. the threshold is not a "well paying job". I'm talking about strategic positions which have those elite networks as a prerequisite.LoL You are not breaking anything to me, because I have worked shoulder to shoulder with Non-Black people who graduated from Ivy League (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc) schools with my lil ol' HBCU degree.
Black Harvard graduates have the same shot at a job call-back as white state college grads
Black Harvard graduates have the same shot at a job call-back as white state college grads
Racism is so pervasive in the US job market that even black Americans with Harvard degrees are at a disadvantage, according a 2014 study in the journal Social Forces (highlighted in Inside Higher Ed).qz.com
Black students who graduate from institutions like Harvard University are about as likely to get a well-paid job as a white graduate from a less-selective state university, new study finds.
Elite college degrees give black graduates little advantage in job market
Black students who graduate from institutions like Harvard University are about as likely to get a well-paid job as a white graduate from a less-selective state university, new study finds.www.insidehighered.com
This is another poster who does not know what they are talking about.
Those specific institutions that I mentioned and those specific strategic applications of a college education which I mentioned are not accepting HBCU grads. That's the point I was making.
The elite institution people have options that you don't have. they can work with you or not work with you. but you can't work with them at the spaces exclusive to them. Goldman, Kirkland Ellis, the supreme court, openai, etc are shredding your HBCU resume off the rip.
Please reread my post. while it's great that HBCU grads can get where you are, it's critical to black society that we have our own people in these positions. For example an entity like Robert Smith would not exist without his elite institutions. There is no universe where you're going to the places he did without all the connections he got from Columbia and Cornell. On the academic side, an entity like Mae Jemison would not exist without her elite networks from Stanford and Cornell
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HBCUs Drive Economic Mobility & The American Dream
HBCUs Drive Economic Mobility & The American Dream
Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) are engines of economic mobility and wealth for students and the nation. Braven is proud to partner with two HBCUs.
www.forbes.com
According to a landmark report by UNCF, HBCUs generate:
$16.5 billion annually in total economic impact
More than 136,000 jobs nationwide each year
2021 HBCU graduates will earn $146 billion in their lifetimes
You get it. Well paying job <> elite/strategic role.
I work down the street from Open AI in SF and I’ve had networking events where I interact with their employees.
It’s all Stanford, CalTech, Harvard, MIT and Berkeley grads.
The truth of the matter is some firms only recruit at specific unis/colleges.
My younger sister went to Wharton UG. You’d have Goldman, JP Morgan, Citi all come to campus for Investment banking recruiting but you know they would never go to Lincoln Uni…
These prestigious institutions are on ramps to specific career fields and roles.
Bunchy Carter
I'll Take The Money Over The Honey
Like I keep saying, you and these others do not know what you all are talking about:
Sky Fuller
- Goldman Sachs Howard University
United States · Human Capital Management Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Nice try nikka lol.....Next
Cheese McNair
Bought it this morning, drive it like I stole it
muthafukka what?!?!
LOL I know what it's like to have all your hard work go unnoticed.
I know it hurt you to not be included in that "shout-out" of posters that post like you do LOL.
LOL You weren't even mentioned and you still replied to that poster.
"muthafukka what?!?!
you didnt @ me?!?! I started this barbeque shyt!"That's what your heart said when you saw that.
Goldman Sachs Howard University
United States · Human Capital Management Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Nice try nikka lol.....Next
My boy went to HU. Goldman Sachs would only recruit for ops roles at HU or other HBCUs. Ole girl you posted is essentially in HR.
Investment banking, the real deal making on Wall Street was reserved for Wharton, Harvard, Yale etc
There’s a well worn road of top bankers from Goldman, JP Morgan etc going to the US Treasury, the Fed and other influential institutions in the US economy.
Institutions that set policies that affects swaths of the populace. Not just positions that pay well.
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Bunchy Carter
I'll Take The Money Over The Honey
Oh so you nikkas said HBCUs are not getting picked up at Goldman and etc. I post a few HBCU grads who were picked up and now it's the o wait she works in HR LOL LOL LOL....She works at Goldman shut up....Also your Nigerian and you also proved my point where I said FBAs are not worried about some PWI's, we have our own schools and still make it.
I said specifically that Goldman would go to Wharton for Investment banking, which is the tip of the spear in finance/wallstreet. Goldman may go to Temple Uni down the street to recruit for back-office roles, but their big money, high prestige roles will be recruited from the Ivies.
Also, HR is HR at any company, let’s call a spade a spade.
I’m not arguing anything about Africans/FBAs, just that Ivies/Ivy+ schools propel their students into certain careers fields that HBCUs and even regular PWIs (think Michigan, OSU, UNC) don’t have the same on-ramps to.
My uncle went to HU UG then Harvard Law School. In as much as he loved his HU days, he did notice the difference in cache of internships and clerkships his law school peers from elite UGs had.
There’s a revolving door of power/influence at these top institutions and universites. Just looking at the last four Fed reserve chairpersons educational background. It’s the same thing.
Powell - Princeton UG, Georgetown Law
Yellen - Brown UG, Yale MA and PHD
Bernanke - Harvard UG and MA, MiT PHD
Greenspan - NYU UG, MA and PHD
You can go to HU and make $300K+ as a VP in Corp America and do well for yourself but for certain industries, institutions and fields, your access is very limited if you’re not coming from these feeder schools
The Plug
plug couldnt trust you now u cant trust the plug
You're wasting your time with hard headed nikkas who only want the bare minimum.