Black men get screwed over politically because we don't vote.

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The goalpost was never moved. The rules haven't changed. Just everyone's awareness of the rules.

Okay. So when was the last time black folks voted at an acceptable rate and what were the policies produced from this vote that really boosted the community upwards?

 

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You right. They fukked up on that. But it wasn't a priority at the time.

But when they were given a gold platter to eat off of. IE. Ted Cruz shutting down the government. Obama fukked up the Obamacare rollout and lost the House.

well they need to ask them jews and asians to come out 90% to do the heavy lifting instead of getting money for certain SIG's... i thought america was about democracy not lobbying...

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Okay. So when was the last time black folks voted at an acceptable rate and what were the policies produced from this vote that really boosted the community upwards?

Policy?

1964/68/72 bills.
Obama became President.
Obamacare.

What were Black people asking for specifically at that time (ie. 2008/9) that he didn't make good on?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

well they need to ask them jews and asians to come out 90% to do the heavy lifting instead of getting money for certain SIG's... i thought america was about democracy not lobbying...

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post. But if you want something, you have to tell them clearly. You have to make sure it's doable. And you have to vote.

But as Dr. Claude Anderson has said since the 80s. Political power with no economic power behind it is almost powerless.

Learn the rules of the game, brehs and brehettes.

 

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Policy?

1964/68/72 bills.
Obama became President.
Obamacare.

What were Black people asking for specifically at that time (ie. 2008/9) that he didn't make good on?

1972? You realize that was 51 years ago? Most black people today weren't even alive at point in time fam. C'mon bruh.

Black folks were asking for government bailouts on the lost property values of their homes and longterm mortgage/real estate help.


There's still black majority cities in the Chicagoland area that they try to tie Obama to that haven't had the value of their house returned to where it was in 2006. Even after the real estate boom of the 2020's. And you best believe a lot of them folks that foreclosed on their homes (as well as their children that seen the shyt happened and their immediate families who even if they bounced back saw what happened to their brother/sister/cousin/uncle) and/or are underwater to this day that watched him kick all that money to the banks while they got nada are disenfranchised from the process to this day.

The Democratic party has not done a single thing for those folks since then to make amends and restore voter confidence. That's one of the many reasons why they lost a lot of black men who showed up for Obama.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

1972? You realize that was 51 years ago? Most black people today weren't even alive at point in time fam. C'mon bruh.

You asked, breh.

Black folks were asking for government bailouts on the lost property values of their homes and mortgage/real estate help.


There's still black majority cities in the Chicagoland area that they try to tie Obama to that haven't had the value of their house returned to where it was in 2006. Even after the real estate boom of the 2020's. And you best believe a lot of them folks that foreclosed on their homes and/or are underwater to this day that watched him kick all that money to the banks while they got nada are disenfranchised from the process to this day.

You right. They fukked up.

Obama did have some type of remortgage program at the time. But it wasn't the smoothest program to get through.

 

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You asked, breh.



You right. They fukked up.

Obama did have some type of remortgage program at the time. But it wasn't the smoothest program to get through.

Bruh I'm just saying. If you gotta reach back that far doesn't something in you say "Yeah, this ain't it"?


And yeah bruh idk about that remortgage program. Speaking anecdotally my neighborhood dramatically changed between 06-10 because of all the foreclosures. My pop spent that time talking about how none of these mortgage programs were doing anything about the fact that his house lost 75% of its value due to all these foreclosures

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Bruh I'm just saying. If you gotta reach back that far doesn't something in you say "Yeah, this ain't it"?

No President has had those type of voting percentages 90%+ and had SUPERmajorities in both the House and Senate. It was a once in a lifetime event basically.

FDR, Reagan, JFK/LBJ had majorities but nothing like Obama, IIRC.

 

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No President has had those type of voting percentages 90%+ and had SUPERmajorities in both the House and Senate. It was a once in a lifetime event basically.

FDR, Reagan, JFK/LBJ had majorities but nothing like Obama, IIRC.

You right. That makes the Obama era even more of a catastrophe for black America tbh. We had a moment where we thought one of us was gonna step in and actually shake something up, but instead got the dude that at the first chance he could made it be known to these white folks he wasn't black America's President and it was business as usual.


Except it wasn't business as usual as he pretty much let the quantitative easing that went into overdrive to artificially pump up the economy from the real estate collapse go unchecked to the point where even owning a house is unattainable for the average black American millennial because of how the folks with their money tied into the stock market ran shyt up.


And he's a very intelligent man, I honestly think he knew what was going on and was unconcerned about what this meant to the average black American. Which is why black men are not about to crash out for a politician that they know won't do shyt for them.

 

[voltronblack]

It’s not because we don’t vote, it’s because we don’t put money in politicians’ pockets.

I'm just joking but you right. bribery is the name of the game...not voting...

There is no way in hell we would be able to out-bribe the banks and other financial institutions/etc that bribe any of the mainstream establishment back politicians. One news article goes in-depth about how they are paying off politicians who even thou they are part of organizations that are supposed to be looking out for us instead put in work for them

How The Congressional Black Caucus Went To War With Itself Over Wall Street

How The Congressional Black Caucus Went To War With Itself Over Wall Street

www.huffpost.com

However, as one bank lobbyist put it, "Sophisticated companies have sophisticated lobbying operations." He explains, "Almost every big bank has a lobbyist who has experience and can work with the Congressional Black Caucus." The industry's term for these lobbyists: CBC specialists. (It's a term that grates on black lobbyists, because nearly all of them do more than merely lobby the CBC.) And by targeting the 10 CBC members who sit on the financial services panel, these lobbyists can potentially win over the entire caucus. "We defer to them for advice," Marcia Fudge, the CBC's chairwoman, says of the members on the committee. "We don't really talk about [financial issues] in the [weekly lunch] meetings at all ... It's not an issue that's of grave importance to the caucus. We know that we have people on the committee that we trust."

The lobbyist knows first hand how effective this tactic can be. "We go right to the CBC because they are open-minded and they often vote as a bloc," he says, asking for anonymity because he frequently relies on CBC members for support on deregulation bills. "And the professional left is scared of them. Every white liberal -- media, politician, advocacy group -- knows better than fukking with a CBC member."
When asked why Moore had become such a reliable ally of the banking industry, more than a half-dozen sources pointed to her chief of staff, Minh Ta. There is a certain kind of Hill staffer -- inspired by "House of Cards" and other fictional glorifications of backroom dealers -- who strives to be a "player." Working for a Democrat who votes the party line is no way to become a player. Another veteran of Moore's staff, Andrew Stevens, moved in 2012 from the Hill to a job lobbying for Allianz, a German financial services firm, which had been keenly interested in a 2011 Moore bill that would exempt it from having to put up collateral on its swaps. Several sources said Stevens had worked closely on that bill.

One Democrat who worked closely with Moore as a member of Congress explained, "She has an ambitious staff, and they want her to move up in leadership, and they think the way to do that is to raise money." Since the 2008 cycle, Moore has raised more than $930,000 from the financial sector. That's roughly 50 percent more than she has brought in from organized labor, which had previously been her biggest backer. After Dodd-Frank passed in 2010, Moore joined the rollback efforts in 2011; for the 2012 cycle, her biggest donor was Bank of America.

Black Lobbyists, Black Legislators Leverage Their “Brands” For Banksters, Military Contractors, Corporate Interests | Black Agenda Report

by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon When black politics emanated from the streets, not the suites, it was a force against imperial war, for full employment, better housing and public education. But now, black politics is a hollowed out brand, an empty signifier deployed by black lobbyists and...

www.blackagendareport.com

But the identical phenomenon is at work not just in Congress, but in virtually every state legislature with more than a handful of black Democrats, on the governing boards of big counties and in city councils across the country. In Georgia where I live, a recent constitutional amendment designed to dissolve public schools and replace them with charters had substantial Republican support, but would never have passed without the support of key black Democrats with impeccable “civil rights” credentials, but deeply in the pocket of the charter and school privatization lobby. Whether the issue is the expanding the military budget and surveillance, building nukes in black communities, the potent combination of black lobbyists and black legislators provides vital cover to all kinds of corporate-friendly measures.

Nobody, as we at Black Agenda Report have observed many times before, celebrates the black Freedom Movement louder, longer, more often and more ostentatiously than the black political class, and this is why. It's not just that this struggle led to the concessions allowing the number of black elected officials to grow from a few hundred nationwide to more than ten thousand in forty years. The fact is, the black political class's appropriation of and ceaseless celebration of this era and its struggles – properly filtered and sanitized of course – constantly renews their store of moral legitimacy, keeping their sellout values high.

Politicians who consistently stand up for the poor and oppressed in the halls of power do not attract big campaign contributions, because everyone knows how they'll vote. Without big campaign contributions they cannot rise to legislative leadership, and their ambitious staffers will not rise either. To be a player, you gotta play, and to get the big money you've got to command a respectable price when you sell out. Many CBC members and their employees want desperately to be fixers and players, like those on the TV series House of Cards, and they've learned exactly how. CBC members, goaded by black lobbyists, have been so eager to cross the aisle and make deals that they have often been leading co-sponsors and supporters of odious measures attracting few other Democrats. Carter and Grim show that when CBC members jumped on board with Republicans, these measures become law, or influence regulators. When CBC members hang back, most other Democrats do the same.

As the Huffington Post article says, the moral legitimacy of the Congressional Black Caucus, and by extension that of the entire black misleadership class is nothing but a hollowed out brand. The article is full of quotes from staffers and lobbyists about this or that CBC member's “brand.” In plain English, brands are purposeful, deliberate, manipulative lies. Branding is a marketing strategy intended to evoke a given response in a target audience, summoning real or imagined memories, tastes, feelings or desires in order to get a response from the target audience which could not be obtained by appeals to fact or logic. When political players proudly admit among themselves that they are mere “brands”, black politics as a progressive force in these United States is over.

 

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I could have sworn when obama got in he had control of all 3 branches...Dems wise... because people bring it up when he did not codify roe v wade into law when he had majority control...

Not a priority at the time since he was trying to be bipartisan and go across party aisles while walking into the greatest financial crisis since the 29 stock market crash caused by Bush Jr....

By the time he found his footing the Dems paid big time...

 

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Not a priority at the time since he was trying to be bipartisan and go across party aisles while walking into the greatest financial crisis since the 29 stock market crash caused by Bush Jr....

By the time he found his footing the Dems paid big time...

He didn't even have a full Cabinet at the time. GOP got 2 notable Dem nominees out the paint quick. Plus he was working with Clinton's crew which was causing all types of problems too. That was a rough 1st term.

 

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In my single days, I was fukking with this chick off Tinder who worked for a Democrat PAC; her main gripe was that trying to get Black men to vote was a complete waste of time and resources. To paraphrase, "It doesn't matter what we do or say, there's nothing we can do to make Lil' Pookie go vote."


She had some fire box, but she had a weird vocal inflection so I stopped talking to her.

So as a Black man, was the box fire enough to get you to vote?

 

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So as a Black man, was the box fire enough to get you to vote?

Nah, I'm already a voter.

But her damn VOICE...shït was annoying AF....like her sentences always ended in a question

 

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But her damn VOICE...shït was annoying AF....like her sentences always ended in a question

Her: Turn here.

You: Turn here? You don't know?