Black men, how did we allow this matriarchy in the black community?

[Sinnerman]

There are some really stupid ass posts in this thread

Jesus Christ

do you have an opinion you'd like to share breh?

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

I still don't understand the whole "mothers subtract fathers out the equation to gain welfare" thing. Where is this happening at? Are single parents being denied access to welfare because the other parent is present?

Moreover, while white reformers relied largely on the romantic rhetoric of moral motherhood, Black women's organizations stressed the value of mothers' work in the home. As historian Eileen Boris observes, "black suffragists were redefining the political and demanding votes for women on the basis of their work as -- rather than their mere being -- mothers." Black activist women showed their respect for housewives, for example, by making them eligible for membership in the National Association of Wage Earners.

without increasing jobs across in the 1950 and beyond etc, there was a welfare push for single mothers...the further requirement was they be single mothers...well when there is bunch of racist folk who are preventing you from working/getting good jobs/making paper, what do you do?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Where did we go wrong?

WE didn't do anything wrong. It was forced on us through slavery and perpetuated by a system of 'White Supremacy' for the past 500 years.

How can we fix it?

Act like men instead of slaves and stop running away from our families.
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[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I still don't understand the whole "mothers subtract fathers out the equation to gain welfare" thing. Where is this happening at? Are single parents being denied access to welfare because the other parent is present?

Get out! I want this $250 per month!

 

[Ooh Marty]

there were only a little over 30% of blacks on welfare in 1973 and only 10% in 1965....so throw that theory in the bushes please....

 

[kevin arnold]

do you have an opinion you'd like to share breh?

thesis statement below.

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WE didn't do anything wrong. It was forced on us through slavery and perpetuated by a system of 'White Supremacy' for the past 500 years.
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[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

WE didn't do anything wrong. It was forced on us through slavery and perpetuated by a system of 'White Supremacy' for the past 500 years.



Act like men instead of slaves and stop running away from our families.
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Slavery didn't bring in the matriarchy. This is a newer phenom. Statistically black families were together until the late 60s early 70s.

 

[semtex]

The REITERATION of the CASTRATION of the black male POPULATION of our NATION

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Slavery didn't bring in the matriarchy. This is a newer phenom. Statistically black families were together until the late 60s early 70s.

Yes, it did.....

U.S. Department of Labor -- History -- Chapter IV. The Tangle of Pathology

That the Negro American has survived at all is extraordinary — a lesser people might simply have died out, as indeed others have. That the Negro community has not only survived, but in this political generation has entered national affairs as a moderate, humane, and constructive national force is the highest testament to the healing powers of the democratic ideal and the creative vitality of the Negro people.

But it may not be supposed that the Negro American community has not paid a fearful price for the incredible mistreatment to which it has been subjected over the past three centuries.

In essence, the Negro community has been forced into a matriarchal structure which, because it is to out of line with the rest of the American society, seriously retards the progress of the group as a whole, and imposes a crushing burden on the Negro male and, in consequence, on a great many Negro women as well.

There is, presumably, no special reason why a society in which males are dominant in family relationships is to be preferred to a matriarchal arrangement. However, it is clearly a disadvantage for a minority group to be operating on one principle, while the great majority of the population, and the one with the most advantages to begin with, is operating on another. This is the present situation of the Negro. Ours is a society which presumes male leadership in private and public affairs. The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it. A subculture, such as that of the Negro American, in which this is not the pattern, is placed at a distinct disadvantage.

Matriarchy

A fundamental fact of Negro American family life is the often reversed roles of husband and wife.

Robert O. Blood, Jr. and Donald M. Wolfe, in a study of Detroit families, note that "Negro husbands have unusually low power," and while this is characteristic of all low income families, the pattern pervades the Negro social structure: "the cumulative result of discrimination in jobs..., the segregated housing, and the poor schooling of Negro men." In 44 percent of the Negro families studied, the wife was dominant, as against 20 percent of white wives. "Whereas the majority of white families are equalitarian, the largest percentage of Negro families are dominated by the wife."The matriarchal pattern of so many Negro families reinforces itself over the generations. This process begins with education. Although the gap appears to be closing at the moment, for a long while, Negro females were better educated than Negro males, and this remains true today for the Negro population as a whole.

 

[AAKing23]

Well since the theory I proposed isn't true, I guess there's only one possible answer












It's Black Men's Fault





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[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

Yes, it did.....

U.S. Department of Labor -- History -- Chapter IV. The Tangle of Pathology

How about some stats:

As late as 1950, black women nationwide were more likely to be married than white women, and only 9 percent of black families with children were headed by a single parent. In the 1950s, black children had a 52 percent chance of living with both their biological parents until age seventeen; by the 1980s those odds had dwindled to a mere 6 percent. In 1959, only 2 percent of black children were reared in households in which the mother never married; today that figure approaches 60 percent.

Breakdown of the Black Family, and Its Consequences - Discover the Networks

Can't blame slavery when family-wise we were better off in the 50s-60s then now. How did we get worse?

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

what was - yah
what can be - where they make that at

 

[Amy Traphouse]

Moreover, while white reformers relied largely on the romantic rhetoric of moral motherhood, Black women's organizations stressed the value of mothers' work in the home. As historian Eileen Boris observes, "black suffragists were redefining the political and demanding votes for women on the basis of their work as -- rather than their mere being -- mothers." Black activist women showed their respect for housewives, for example, by making them eligible for membership in the National Association of Wage Earners.

without increasing jobs across in the 1950 and beyond etc, there was a welfare push for single mothers...the further requirement was they be single mothers...well when there is bunch of racist folk who are preventing you from working/getting good jobs/making paper, what do you do?

Thanks for the history class.

Now update me on how this relates to NOW and where exactly in this day and age is it stated by a welfare agency that if the father is present then benefits will be drastically reduced or cut completely.

 

[HelgaPataki]

Slavery didn't bring in the matriarchy. This is a newer phenom. Statistically black families were together until the late 60s early 70s.

pre-slavery and exposal to europeans west africa was patriarchal?

didn't exposal to europeans spread both misogyny and homophobia among minorities? not just blacks but native americans as well

do you believe that slave owners put their own financial aspirations aside and allowed slave fathers to stay with their families instead of selling them?

what about slaves that were 'married' that lived on different plantations and were owned by different masters? would those families be considered matriarchal?

were most black slave families patriarchal with the white man being the patriarch (the slaves owned by white men)

It's Black Men's Fault

i do not believe it is one group's fault within the black community. it involved both genders in different ways. it did also involve non-black groups that blacks allowed to manipulate them.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Can't blame slavery. When family-wise we were better off in the 50s-60s then now. How did we get worse?

You forgot about the 'system of 'White Supremacy' which was created as a result of slavery which is still in effect. If you don't think it is happening now, then nothing else I present as evidence is going to make you think any differently. Our disparity goes way beyond the 50's and 60's. We only seemed to be better off because there were more job opportunities and a family could be sustained by ONE income.

Unemployment and Poverty

The impact of unemployment on the Negro family, and particularly on the Negro male, is the least understood of all the developments that have contributed to the present crisis. There is little analysis because there has been almost no inquiry. Unemployment, for whites and nonwhites alike, has on the whole been treated as an economic phenomenon, with almost no attention paid for at least a quarter-century to social and personal consequences.

In 1940, Edward Wight Bakke described the effects of unemployment on family structure in terms of six stages of adjustment. Although the families studied were white, the pattern would clearly seem to be a general one, and apply to Negro families as well.

The first two stages end with the exhaustion of credit and the entry of the wife into the labor force. The father is no longer the provider and the elder children become resentful.

The third stage is the critical one of commencing a new day to day existence. At this point two women are in charge:

"Consider the fact that relief investigators or case workers are normally women and deal with the housewife. Already suffering a loss in prestige and authority in the family because of his failure to be the chief bread winner, the male head of the family feels deeply this obvious transfer of planning for the family's well being to two women, one of them an outsider. His role is reduced to that of errand boy to and from the relief office."

If the family makes it through this stage Bakke finds that it is likely to survive, and the rest of the process is one of adjustment. The critical element of adjustment was not welfare payments, but work.
"Having observed our families under conditions of unemployment with no public help, or with that help coming from direct [sic] and from work relief, we are convinced that after the exhaustion of self produced resources, work relief is the only type of assistance which can restore the strained bonds of family relationship in a way which promises the continued functioning of that family in meeting the responsibilities imposed upon it by our culture."

Work is precisely the one thing the Negro family head in such circumstances has not received over the past generation.

The fundamental, overwhelming fact is that Negro unemployment, with the exception of a few years during World War II and the Korean War, has continued at disaster levels for 35 years.