Black men, how did we allow this matriarchy in the black community?

[BillBanneker]

You know what I mean. It's harder for black men to get to that point, but in actuality

- You can have lower grades/scores as a black man when compared to a black woman and still get in college AND have more scholarship opportunities available to you
- You will be paid more for the fact that you are a man
- You are more likely to get promoted and advance up the corporate ladder.

1. I'll concede. Although I think it definitely depends on the college/university.
2 & 3 I'm going to need some references though. Unless it's a completely male dominate field (engineering, IT).

 

[DaChampIsHere]

1. I'll concede. Although I think it definitely depends on the college/university.
2 & 3 I'm going to need some references though. Unless it's a completely male dominate field (engineering, IT).

2. Why do you think women's salaries were mentioned in the debate? Women make less than men across the board for the same jobs, regardless of race. It's a big issue for white women as well.

3. Glass ceiling for black women: African American Women Face Serious Challenges In Climb Up The Corporate Ladder » The Glass Hammer

 

[GoPro]

You caught that too, huh? What is he saying, his pops is a bytch?

But yea, as for this thread, get rid of welfare through attrition. No person born after Dec 31 2012 can receive assistance. I bet you the mindstate would change completely.

Women would stop fukking with deadbeats, and wait until they're married before conceiving.
Men would stop being deadbeats, cause we'd know she can't just run to her white daddy if we skate.

But feminism would never allow this to happen. They love the matriarchal society. They feel women are better suited to run things. No lie, had this black chick at my job tell me straight up that women should be in control, in all seriousness. How do you combat that?

 

[Taadow]

In the black community, single women are running a lot of the households because there is not man around. Helga also goes on to say that she thinks households should be equal. To keep holding on to a semblance of another idea and then try to equate that one idea with everything everyone else has said makes your argument petty and trivial. Move on.

1) There are more than one reason as to why "there is not a man around" in black households.

2) I have no problem with the notion that households should be equal, as she defined it...

3) However (again), "moving on" from that one idea in her first post makes is sound like that one idea is less important than the rest of the ones brought up here, and that's not fair/true. "Moving on" instead of discussing things like that is one way we get to where we are today.

Black men are basically being handed post-secondary education opportunities, but somehow black women are benefiting from affirmative action more? Also, do some research on the glass ceiling disparity between black men and women. Black men are stopping themselves from going further, the system actually gives more opportunities to black men and rewards more on the corporate level as well.

So what makes black men want to stop themselves from going further?

I don't see women reshaping manhood. How does a woman have a job/sexual freedom/etc. reshape your job/freedom/etc. as a man?

When women assert themselves to the point of telling men that they aren't good enough at being men, this is taking place.

"Independence", IDK.

Right.

Many of you like to shame republicans, but if you only realized how similar you are to them when it comes to the subject of females. This board literally turns into the GOP.

I don't know why you replied to me with this because you've never seen me "shame" republicans or democrats.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You caught that too, huh? What is he saying, his pops is a bytch?

But yea, as for this thread, get rid of welfare through attrition. No person born after Dec 31 2012 can receive assistance. I bet you the mindstate would change completely.

Women would stop fukking with deadbeats, and wait until they're married before conceiving.
Men would stop being deadbeats, cause we'd know she can't just run to her white daddy if we skate.

But feminism would never allow this to happen. They love the matriarchal society. They feel women are better suited to run things. No lie, had this black chick at my job tell me straight up that women should be in control, in all seriousness. How do you combat that?

Be a man, be a leader. There would be no room for her to think this if black men actually led and showed her how stupid that was. But im sure you just threw up your hands like and continued fukkin bytches.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

You caught that too, huh? What is he saying, his pops is a bytch?

My bad breh, I'm drunk

I meant I never understood the idea of the female matriarchy. The rest of the post should have cleared it up. Lemme edit my post before nikkas get the wrong idea.

Pops def wasn't a bytch. He ran the house with an iron fist. Moms would let us watch cartoons on the big TV in the living room, but soon as pops came home, that shyt went straight to CNN, his food was already on the table, and we weren't allowed to disturb him.

 

[Ice Water]

Good point. Also, a lot of fathers moved out of the household in order to qualify for welfare. I was talking to a few older cats and they were saying back in there day the father would stay away for extended periods of time because the fam never new when the welfare people were gonna check to see if there was a man living in the crib. shyt is deep.

Wow that's crazy.. Govt figure they take the men outta the picture, how will the children have an example of what a good man is. Devilish man SMH

 

[↓R↑LYB]

But yea, as for this thread, get rid of welfare through attrition. No person born after Dec 31 2012 can receive assistance. I bet you the mindstate would change completely.

Women would stop fukking with deadbeats, and wait until they're married before conceiving.
Men would stop being deadbeats, cause we'd know she can't just run to her white daddy if we skate.

That would fukk over white people more than black people. There's wayyyyy more cacs on welfare than blacks.

But feminism would never allow this to happen. They love the matriarchal society. They feel women are better suited to run things. No lie, had this black chick at my job tell me straight up that women should be in control, in all seriousness. How do you combat that?

you can start by NOT dating women that need welfare. Like I said earlier, I never run into this issue of women trying to run shyt. Literally EVERY chick I fukked with told me explicitly they wanted the man to lead and they'd follow. What females have you dealt with in the past that actually told you they wanted to be the ones in control? What specific issues did you and ya lady go through? Cause I'm really starting to think the "gender war" is nothing more than a bunch of nikkas and bytches assuming the other side is trying to get over on them.

Whenever I ask for specific examples from dudes on here, nikkas always say "It's never happened to me before "

 

[DaChampIsHere]

1) There are more than one reason as to why "there is not a man around" in black households.
2) I have no problem with the notion that households should be equal, as she defined it...
3) However (again), "moving on" from that one idea in her first post makes is sound like that one idea is less important than the rest of the ones brought up here, and that's not fair/true. "Moving on" instead of discussing things like that is one way we get to where we are today.
So what makes black men want to stop themselves from going further?
When women assert themselves to the point of telling men that they aren't good enough at being men, this is taking place.
Right.
I don't know why you replied to me with this because you've never seen me "shame" republicans or democrats.

1. Okay. You can stay on that one statement then, I'll move on.

2. I've already answered that question. At a certain economic level, black men at the working class level were shamed out of certain methods of economic attainment by the black community as a whole. The wrong things are glorified.

3. A lot of y'all aren't, hence this thread being this long. It's not solely the man's or boy's fault though. There's a lot at play.

4. I never brought the term independent into play. You want me to explain someone else's line of thinking. Ask them.

5. That was less for you, more for everyone.

You're arguing really petty things though. If you don't have a point, just move on.

 

[kevm3]

Do ya'll seriously walk around every day of your lives feeling "emasculated" ..or is that just some internet shyt?

Or maybe we're able to step outside of the realm of our PERSONAL experience and are able to comment on society large. The argument some of ya'll are trying to come in here with is correlating your personal experience with society:

"The crack movement devastated the black community."
"LOLz stop blaming the white man for your lack of success.. My family personally never was on crack. My black friends weren't on crack either, so what are you talking about?"

Just because you personally haven't experienced the issue doesn't mean that it doesn't exist as a societal problem at large. I've had a two parent household my whole life, so while I haven't been affected personally, I'm easily able to admit what is going on in society.

The emasculation of black men in the media is a very REAL concept. Why do you think they always have Ving Rhames wearing skirts or playing homosexual roles over and over? Why Martin had to do "Big Momma's House"? Why Will Smith in Six Degrees of Separation? Tyler Perry, reknowned for dressing up as a grandma named Madea? Eddie Murphy in Norbit? Larry Johnson dressing up as a grandma that plays basketball.

Why are all the funny Black Men wearing dresses? |

Madea, the seemingly inimitable Aretha Franklin of faux femmes, has yet to inspire knockoffs, but similar drag acts continue to pop up — the corpulent Rasputia of Eddie Murphy’s “Norbit,” Keenan Thompson’s Virginiaca on “Saturday Night Live,” and Martin Lawrence’s repeat performance as Big Momma in “Big Momma’s House 2,” among others. By now, Hollywood drugstores may be running low on plus-size pantyhose…Last year director John Singleton griped to Black Star News, “I’m tired of all these black men in dresses … How come nobody’s protesting that?” And comedian Dave Chappelle told Oprah Winfrey that during a shoot with Lawrence, the writers and producers had twisted his arm to do drag. “‘Every minute you waste costs this much money,’” he recalls them telling him. “The pressure comes in … I don’t need no dress to be funny,” he said. Chappelle also suggested that their insistence amounted to a “conspiracy,” and he got applause for implying a connection between cross-dressing and “Brokeback Mountain,” a film in which neither main character — both of whom are arguably bisexual — wears anything but hyper-masculine attire.

Affirmative Action

But black women are actually faring much better in the workplace than are black men. According to a New York Times study conducted by the Economic Policy Institute and Queens College of the City University of New York, female black college graduates are now earning more than their male counterparts. According to the study, among college graduates with one to five years on the job, black women earned an average wage of $11.41 an hour in 1991, compared with black men's earnings of $11.26 an hour, the result of women's salaries rising overall in the 1980s while those of black men fell. And a 1994 Wall Street Journal analysis of data from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission found that there were nearly twice (1.8 times) as many black female professionals as black male professionals in corporate America, an outgrowth of the fact that more black women than men graduate from college. Between 1982 and 1992, the number of black female professionals grew to a total of almost 200,000, an increase of 125%.

During that same period, the number of black women in white collar positions overall grew to 815,000, an increase of 90%, while the number of black men grew to only 564,000, an increase of less than 50%. The study found that in 1992 companies employed 2.77 million black women compared to 2.44 million black men and that there were subsequently more black men on the unemployment rolls than black women.

The statistics on black men only get worse. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, black males have the lowest life expectancy of any ethnic/gender group (55.2 years); according to the Almanac of the American People, the odds of a 25-year-old black male living to see his 26th birthday are only about 300 to 1. Marc Mauer, author of a study called Young Black Men in the Criminal Justice System, found that fully 25% of black men are in the prison system (609,690), 50% more than are in the college system (436,000). Author Aaron Kipnis reports that the U.S. imprisons black males in greater numbers than even South Africa. And U.S. Department of Justice statistics show that a black man has a 1 in 28 chance of being murdered and that 45% of black males will be victims of violent crime three or more times during their lifetime.

In public schools, black boys are more likely than other students to receive corporal punishment and are more likely to be segregated into Special Education classes. Jim Gregory, associate professor of Special Education at St. John's University, refers to this as the "IX & X Syndrome." Says Gregory, "if you're male and minority, your likelihood of being labeled as 'disabled' skyrockets." But, more disturbingly, "the disparity increases dramatically as the room for subjectivity in the placement process increases." In other words, such labeling may be more a function of teachers' biases than students' actual needs. Black male students are also much more likely to get poor grades, drop out of school, and get involved with gangs and drugs.

Affirmative Action has benefitted white women the MOST and black men the least.

NileValleyPeoples: Affirmative action: primary beneficiaries are white women

"Between 1974 and 2004, white and black men in their 30s
experienced a decline in income, with the largest decline
among black men. However, median family incomes for both
racial groups increased, because of large increases in women’s
incomes. Income growth was particularly high for white
women. The lack of income growth for black men combined
with low marriage rates in the black population has had a
negative impact on trends in family income for black families."
-Economic Mobility Project

Thus, a program that was conceived to help the oppressed
appears to help the “oppressors” about as much. Who knows, it
may lend a hand to more middle- and upper-class white
families than to poor black ones, since a beneficiary’s
economic status isn’t a qualifying factor. How many times, I
wonder, has the wife or daughter of a well-paid white man been
boosted by affirmative action into a well-paid job herself -- a
job that might otherwise have gone to a poor but qualified
black American? This perversion of justice may occur often,
and it would at least partly explain why, despite the strides of
many individual blacks, blacks as a group have economically
progressed so little on whites. And at a appalling 1.2 percent
progression every 1.5 decades, black households won’t reach
wage parity with whites' for at least 200 years.

Which group has affirmative action benefitted the least? Black
men. Which group was originally intended to be the sole
beneficiary of affirmative action? Black men. Shhh! Don't talk
about this!

NileValleyPeoples: Affirmative action: primary beneficiaries are white women

In regards to the effect of welfare on the black family:

Side Effect of Welfare Law: The No-Parent Family - New York Times
Side Effect of Welfare Law: The No-Parent Family
By NINA BERNSTEIN
Published: July 29, 2002
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When studies last year showed that the share of the nation's children living in single-parent households had declined in the late 1990's, many welcomed the results as signs that the 1996 welfare overhaul was working.

But new research underscores a smaller, unwelcome trend: a rising share of children, particularly black children in cities, are turning up in no-parent households, left with relatives, friends or foster families without either their mother or their father.

Researchers say they cannot pinpoint the forces driving parents and children apart. But among them, they said, may be the stresses of the new welfare world -- loss of benefits, low-wage jobs at irregular hours and pressure from a new partner needed to pay the rent.

The findings are helping reopen the debate on what shifting welfare rules are doing to families. They are contributing to second thoughts among some of the most optimistic analysts, even as the White House and some lawmakers are pushing to make the welfare law's work requirements even stricter. The law now requires 50 percent of welfare recipients to work up to 30 hours a week, with some exceptions for hardship.

The Weekend Interview with Walter Williams: The State Against Blacks - WSJ.com

"We lived in the Richard Allen housing projects" in Philadelphia, says Mr. Williams. "My father deserted us when I was three and my sister was two. But we were the only kids who didn't have a mother and father in the house. These were poor black people and a few whites living in a housing project, and it was unusual not to have a mother and father in the house. Today, in the same projects, it would be rare to have a mother and father in the house."

Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren't permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

The Weekend Interview with Walter Williams: The State Against Blacks - WSJ.com

 

[Real N Quotes]

When those industrial jobs started to leave cities in the 60's many black men lost a way to provide for their families and as a result they turned to welfare programs to help. But the only catch was that the men could not be in the home in order to recieve welfare.

Therefore alot of black men began to walk out on their families due to being ashamed that they couldn't provide for their families and so that their families could collect welfare.



And that's why we're where we're at now

true indeed

 

[Taadow]

You're arguing really petty things though. If you don't have a point, just move on.

I don't see how that's a petty thing.

My point in isolating that was this:

Helga's first post (and she can correct me if i'm wrong) seemed to infer that black feminism was good because enough black women didn't necessarily like their status in a household "ran" by black men.

Again - I don't see how anyone can say that is a "petty" thought in this conversation.

Do you think that is true?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Wow that's crazy.. Govt figure they take the men outta the picture, how will the children have an example of what a good man is. Devilish man SMH

It is crazy, problem is it's not true. There is not and never was a requirement that men not be in the house. The only requirement is that all adults are included on the application. So a man couldn't be living in the house and contributing to the bottom line while still recieving aid as if the woman was single. You really think men threw up their hands and left their families for $100 a month in foodstamps

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Helga's first post (and she can correct me if i'm wrong) seemed to infer that black feminism was good because enough black women didn't necessarily like their status in a household "ran" by black men.

She didn't say anything of the sort. See, here's you all running with faint statements and trying to make them something.

The only thing she said was that black women were unhappy with the family structure they were in, the same way every other group of women felt.

It has nothing to do with being "ran by black men", but more so the expectations, rules, and norms for women at that time period. Y'all don't have to make everything so damn personally.

It is crazy, problem is it's not true. There is not and never was a requirement that men not be in the house. The only requirement is that all adults are included on the application. So a man couldn't be living in the house and contributing to the bottom line while still recieving aid as if the woman was single. You really think men threw up their hands and left their families for $100 a month in foodstamps

The said thing is, they really do believe that shyt.

*Gives up 30K yearly salary for struggle, food stamps, and to raise bad ass kids alone and be judged and ridiculed by society *

 

[Will Ross]

You know what I mean. It's harder for black men to get to that point, but in actuality

- You can have lower grades/scores as a black man when compared to a black woman and still get in college AND have more scholarship opportunities available to you
- You will be paid more for the fact that you are a man
- You are more likely to get promoted and advance up the corporate ladder.

None of those things mean black men have it easier in the real world.
Most high schools Encourage black boys with lower grades to get a trade. Going to college is not even promoted to them. The black boys that do go to college most likely had the test scores and the grades to get in.