Black music sucks right now brehs

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You would get fukked on an independent label just as you would a major label.

A strong management team is your best bet.

what I'm saying is what's more important, money or making music you wanna make? nowadays it's pretty hard to do both. one has to choose between being mainstream or making music they really enjoy doing. there's no grey area.

If everybody rejected the major labels and started their own, there would be no problem, but everybody wants big $$$, everybody wants attention, nobody wants to pull resources together, and nobody wants to hustle for extra income.

In other words, these artists are basically forcing themselves to dumb down their own music in order to put their music out. the white people in power only have it because we give it to them.
 

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:rudy: @ nikkas always talkin bout "but but but its good music out here, you just have to look for it..nikka please

if it is, it definetly ain't hiphop..mof, post some shyt that we need to look for..and i bet you that shyt is trash too
:rudy:


This post is one of the reasons the booth is just like The Spot on :hamster: it's :flabbynsick:

Because y'all don't really give a FVCK about BLACK MUSIC or HIP HOP.


Same cats complainin can't tell you sh1t about any artists that didn't drop an album on a major label last year.
Like O.C. or Skyzoo didn't drop straight bangers.

Just :smh:
 

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Well then the thread should be changed to "Hip Hop sucks right now brehs" because It isn't the only genre of music that is Black music...

You don't really have to "Look for it".... The Jazz section in best buy is just as easy to find as the hip hop/rap section... You' just have very narrow tastes in music:manny:


Jazz isnt very accessible to someone who blasts ignant rap all day. It takes time to appreciate the great works of herbie, coltrane and davis. shyt, my favorite Jazz record Max Roachs "We Insist!" took years before it clicked this was :ohmy:

and i dont think rap sucks too bad right now when cats like BLU and KILLER MIKE are releasing great product (not just below the heavens and rap music).
 

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This post is one of the reasons the booth just like The Spot on :hamster: is :flabbynsick:

Because y'all don't really give a FVCK about BLACK MUSIC or HIP HOP.


Same cats complainin can't tell you sh1t about any artists that didn't drop an album on a major label last year.
Like O.C. or Skyzoo didn't drop straight bangers.

Just :smh:

but that OC album and Skyzoos were straight boring. pick better examples breh.
 

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She has a great voice but this ain't a hit. I like Vivian Green but she hasn't produced a hit. I don't know if it's production or songwriting but it's rare to have a five star R&B track nowadays. Miguel "Adorn" was easily the best R&B track this year.

You know a hit when you hear it the first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9rCobRl-ng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tov22NtCMC4

:blessed:

What's worse is your four star tracks like the ones SWV specialized at are even rarer. I rarely hear four star tracks anymore.

That Cee-lo and Melanie Fiona remix was the last four star R&B track I've heard from a Black artist.


Every song doesn't need to be a hit to be enjoyed. Thats part of the problem. People like you need something that will be enjoyed by everyone so you can feel a part of the crowd. Stand on your own two.
 

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Miguel is dope,too tho. Listen to his LP.
And sidenote: we should give more props to artists like Shabazz Palaces and Flying Lotus. definition of making music there way and keeping it fresh. And my boy Thundercat <<<<<<< too dope.
 

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as for the indy and major label discussion.
You can succeed and fail with either choice, it's just
your chances of owing an indy label millions of dollars for
ridiculous expenses are exponentially lower than they
would be on a major label.
Not to mention you most likely won't be signing a 360-deal.

And if you run your lable like Slug (Of Atmosphere), Hopsin and his boys, El-P
or Tech N9ne. Then chances are you can pull in some major cash.


The indie route is still a viable route especially if you build up a sizable audience.
 

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Dude, we're not validating shyt. This convo is a long time coming.

It's easier for us to talk about the state of black music now, because we said it back then.

a long time coming? i hear this shyt every other season it seems like, shyt has nothing to do with the state of black music, it has to do with the state of consumerism that we exist in.

the internet has brought us to a time where the listener has more power over what he is hearing than ever, expecting "soul music" and substance to be coveted by mass media is like telling mc donalds to put home cooked food on their menu. even the shyt that tastes/sounds good on the surface usually has little nutritional value.

this thread won't accomplish shyt, i highly doubt nikkas are gonna come in here and network, or brainstorm any actual solutions, i doubt any of yall are gonna put dough up to showcase local talent, or run marketing campaigns for all of these artists that deserve to be on that stage much more than somebody else. yall just gonna complain, call people cacs and c00ns and meet back here next year to do nothing all over again

:heh:
there needs to be a barometer to measure success

hot tub time machine: mics used to be mean more to hip hop than grammys

there doesn't really need to be any of that...what did musicians do before award shows? what kind of statistics did you need to be a great artist?

but if you insist, don't get mad when the people setting that bar care nothing, and know nothing about your culture. just deal with the grades they give and KIM.
 

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a long time coming? i hear this shyt every other season it seems like, shyt has nothing to do with the state of black music, it has to do with the state of consumerism that we exist in.

the internet has brought us to a time where the listener has more power over what he is hearing than ever, expecting "soul music" and substance to be coveted by mass media is like telling mc donalds to put home cooked food on their menu. even the shyt that tastes/sounds good on the surface usually has little nutritional value.

this thread won't accomplish shyt, i highly doubt nikkas are gonna come in here and network, or brainstorm any actual solutions, i doubt any of yall are gonna put dough up to showcase local talent, or run marketing campaigns for all of these artists that deserve to be on that stage much more than somebody else. yall just gonna complain, call people cacs and c00ns and meet back here next year to do nothing all over again

:heh:

you gotta admit its been awhile since the coli/:hamster: has been so outraged about the state of not only black, but music in general
this is a healthy discussion and it should continue. why you tryna stop it?
 

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you gotta admit its been awhile since the coli/:hamster: has been so outraged about the state of not only black, but music in general
this is a healthy discussion and it should continue. why you tryna stop it?

for one i don't be on here like that, so i wouldn't know. and i didn't shush anybody, i'm just saying this ain't some new shyt and i've grown rather impatient for things that don't work, doesn't matter how long it's been since people got outraged about whatever, what has changed between then and now? nothing? oh...

:ld:

by all means discuss...i'd much rather this thread be a promo for artists than the same ole shyt
 

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I'm an old head so nobody cares what I think about this. Will say that I really try, and I think there is some good black music out there. But even with that, there is a dearth of it. Black music used to be deep.

I think we're seeing the results of a few things. Its hard to blame labels because that's what they've always done. Read anything on older artists during their day and labels have always been manipulative and greedy. I think the depth problem has come from other things.

Culturally, I think black music is simply where black people are. That can't be overlooked. Black music until the last few years was truly rebellious. Not in the content per say. But rather in that it was an off-limits thing to the non-black world. It didn't get mainstream airplay at the same levels. The few Black stations, few shows, few labels were catering to black people, about black life and there was a solidarity. I remember back in the 80s, radio was pretty much totally segregated outside of say Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder or Michael Jackson. TV was even more dramatic outside of award shows. It was even more segregated with hip-hop. I think this resulted in music that was made in the tradition of a soulful sound. You were making music for black people. Messages could be more rebellious because it was being made for black people. Even dance music retained the sound, even when the sound was new. We see now, that even white people loved this music even if they didn't seem to at the time. The world loved this music. This reflected the culture, which was still more segregated. I think black people weren't living for a mainstream image in life at all the way we have to now.

That move to the cultural mainstream overall(American blacks moving into the middle class rapidly) has also resulted in more religious experimentation, less religious participation overall and like the rest of America, a polarization of career choices. From the religious angle, popular black music and so-call gospel music have kept the same roots and have often crossed paths throughout black American history. You're simply losing that sound tradition for better or worse(not making a judgement). You're not only losing the home grown singer that grew up singing in church, but also the musicians who often were able to practice their craft and sound in church. The mega-church model of today is also contributing to this loss. The career polarization is happening in a huge way in the black community and the rest of America as well. Colleges are specializing more and there is a stigma to anything outside of more vocational fields. You're losing some would be artists. The result of this at earlier ages are less kids picking up music outside of school programs. Its interesting. I look at my peers and even relatives around my age. A few of us played in the band back in school. Otherwise, we have a few wannabe rappers and a couple of professional DJs. Looking back at my parents generation and older, there were several church organists, saxophone and trumpet players and some nice singers. Some even had small professional music careers. They learned in church or from people just teaching them. They were usually discovered or tried to get into local clubs to play. People wanted to be stars but they were really into what they were doing in a different way than now. Fame was more important than money I guess. Running with the big dogs at the craft was most important. Listen to older interviews of people wanting to be as good as their contemporaries. Just a different culture now. Getting into music is just not that organic anymore.

So if you don't want to read all that, basically black America is moving away from the things that made our music great and deep. The organic process is just over and black people are moving rapidly towards the center. The fashions of America are blending. The goals of Americans are blending. The lives of Americans are blending. Its no wonder that black music would be a victim of that. I make no judgement about that. I miss the depth of artists out there, but I make no judgements, just observations. The mechanisms that made the greatness of the past isn't there anymore.
 
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