Black New Yorkers clashing over who should get reparations as state panel starts

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ORDER_66 said:
but that have nothing to do with the article at hand... A descendant of American Slaves is a specific lineage group... it should be for them not for others who come from other places... :manny: you should stay on topic instead of trying to derail the thread :comeon:
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MostReal said:
You're missing the point. The United States government is not responsible for your case, hence why it would get thrown out. The countries directly responsible for the Caribbean and or Africa is your only shot.
Adding myself to your case in the Caribbean doesn't make it stronger it in fact weakens it because I have no grounds.
The soil is paramount to this kind of discussion. Grounds is the basis for the case.
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You are assuming that Caribeans and Africans would base their claim in slavery just because youve decided to. Theoretically Africans could file claims about having their family members stolen and taken to the Americas as slaves. In this instance having you on board could strengthen their case. In terms of adding public pressure.


The point is who has decided that grounds is,and should be the basis for the case? Who has advised you that your case is stronger if you base it on grounds? Is it the Democrats pretending to entertain discussions about it? Or is it the 80% of white Americans who are against slavery based reperations ,based on grounds. The problem is many have deluded themselves into thinking the case is strong and going well. Im suggesting it is not,and one based in black oppression would be stronger. Although just as likely to be scoffed at by white supremacy.


But fact is leverage is the only way you can "demand" anything. And without non African Americans,and especially Africa,we have very little actual leverage against the U.S govt. right now "demanding" is just another word for asking white supremacist to do us a solid:respect:
 
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Still Benefited said:
You are assuming that Caribeans and Africans would base their claim in slavery just because youve decided to. Theoretically Africans could file claims about having their family members stolen and taken to the Americas as slaves. In this instance having you on board could strengthen their case. In terms of adding public pressure.


The point is who has decided that grounds is,and should be the basis for the case? Who has advised you that your case is stronger if you base it on grounds? Is it the Democrats pretending to entertain discussions about it? Or is it the 80% of white Americans who are against slavery based reperations ,based on grounds. The problem is many have deluded themselves into thinking the case is strong and going well. Im suggesting it is not,and one based in black oppression would be stronger. Although just as likely to be scoffed at by white supremacy.


But fact is leverage is the only way you can "demand" anything. And without non African Americans,and especially Africa,we have very little actual leverage against the U.S govt. right now "demanding" is just another word for asking white supremacist to do us a solid:respect:
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But the issue there is those suits would be taken up with Portugal, England, Spain, France, etc. And even then they'd also have to sue the tribal leaders that sold their people into slavery as well. That context does not exist in America. So its kind of an apples to oranges thing. If you were born in Jamaica then your claims are with the UK up until about 1962. At that point, there weren't any slaves so Jamaica, as an independent nation, has never had slaves.

The US is different ADOS technically have claim against England and Spain and the US itself. But because the US actively enforced slavery for a hundred years, and we're currently in the US. You start there.

I firmly disagree with your "case is stronger with immigrants" stance. The rub has nothing to do with having solid grounds. It has to do with the sheer amount of cash it would take and the fact that taxes would have to go up to do it. Especially on non ADOS people. That doesn't have shyt to do with if people are Nigerian or not.

The better way to have the reparations argument is to bundle cash payments with things that aren't immediate financial gains but major legs up in return:

- free healthcare
- free post secondary education up to bachelor's degrees
- total federal student loan forgiveness
- free home loans
- cash payments
- exemption from Selective Service registration

Almost all of those would cost tax payers virtually nothing in the immediate. Which is all people care about.


Where I will agree is leverage. Black people don't have the capital or military might to have it. But we do have our political voice. And I think this should be the cornerstone of the black agenda. But nikkas don't want to be politicians.
 
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Only people that should get reparations are ADOS with no immigrant or interracial lineage.
 
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K.O.N.Y said:
non fba babble

An enormous portion of fbas will have this :beli:
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What about people that have one ADOS parent and one immigrant or white parent? Or one immigrant grandparent? What about an individual with three white grandparents and one ADOS grandparent? Should they get it?
Should a quadroon or octoroon get the same amount as someone with all ADOS linage?
 
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Pressure said:
Gotta be one of the great white supremacy backed psyops.

Get black folks to become single issue voters over something that isn’t going to happen at the federal level anywhere near what they’ve been “told” they deserve. Then get them to fight with other black people about why they shouldn’t happen so the white man never even has to take a vote on it.

:whew:
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Pressure said:
Gotta be one of the great white supremacy backed psyops.

Get black folks to become single issue voters over something that isn’t going to happen at the federal level anywhere near what they’ve been “told” they deserve. Then get them to fight with other black people about why they shouldn’t happen so the white man never even has to take a vote on it.

:whew:
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Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan:wow:



Fussing over something that is no where close to materializing.

WE don’t even have to fuss about this.



That’s what is so fukking crazy to me.



You think the US Govt is taking orders? You think they GAF what WE want or who WE think should get reparations?

I mean, ADOS all day but common fukkking sense should tell everyone that this damn govt ain’t giving a dime to anyone that isn’t a descendant of American chattel slavery.
I don’t even know how anyone who is Black American, African or Caribbean can possibly argue about this.


Do you really think THIS government is giving money to those who aren’t descended from the people who were enslaved on this land?


Who TF has us arguing over this? How is this even a question? And I’m not trying to be divisive at all. It’s just common sense.

Can we stop arguing over something that will be decided by the damn government? Lmao
 
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