Black New Yorkers clashing over who should get reparations as state panel starts

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Immigrants should not be part of a reparations program for the descendants of slaves.

There can be a separate discussion and push for that if necessary.

When the Japanese Americans were interned during WW2, the reparations after the war went to them. Not to every Asian who suffered some injustice.

It's not wrong to make distinctions here, imo.

 

[Still Benefited]

Correct
Race will automatically make this a non qualifier, something cacs are betting on. Would get tossed out the courts.
Lineage is the only way this works

This shouldn't even be a debate. If you're a Black American Descendant of enslaved people in America then America owes you. The end. Not immigrants, not just black people.

The case for reperations is greatly weakened if you just limit it to slavery. Then how many could prove they actually are descendants of slaves? Plus the European would suddenly come with new scientific evidence "Studies show yall were already here,youll have to take your legal battle up with the Native Americans who we already gave reperations too"

The case is best made when you bring up systematic oppression/sabatogue of black people. Which isnt limited to "African Americans ".

 

[DrunkenNovice]

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[HarlemHottie]

Pan Africanism must have really elevated the status of ADOS black people in New York City over the last 100+ years to be willing to bush the plight of your lineage over it. Like there must be a lot of progress made through Pan Africanism to be willing to crash out like this for it.

Desperation. It's very expensive here.

 

[HarlemHottie]

The case for reperations is greatly weakened if you just limit it to slavery. Then how many could prove they actually are descendants of slaves? Plus the European would suddenly come with new scientific evidence "Studies show yall were already here,youll have to take your legal battle up with the Native Americans who we already gave reperations too"

The case is best made when you bring up systematic oppression/sabatogue of black people. Which isnt limited to "African Americans ".

 

[UncleTomFord15]

What is there to even discuss? It would be for black peoples who's family was enslaved in America, should be common sense.

 

[Still Benefited]

Just the reality of the situation. When you get past the first reality that it probably wont happen. The second reality is the European isnt paying people for slavery alone who didnt actually experience it. So its best to just put slavery in a basket of grievences,with slavery being about #8 on the list. And if slavery is 8th on the list,lineage wouldnt be the focus

 

[MostReal]

The case for reperations is greatly weakened if you just limit it to slavery. Then how many could prove they actually are descendants of slaves? Plus the European would suddenly come with new scientific evidence "Studies show yall were already here,youll have to take your legal battle up with the Native Americans who we already gave reperations too"

The case is best made when you bring up systematic oppression/sabatogue of black people. Which isnt limited to "African Americans ".

Incorrect, which is why the case consists of enslaved and freedman from the soil of the United States. This is the country we derived from. The basis of this country was built upon the backs of my people.
I can't move to the Caribbean or Africa and demand to be compensated for something from your ancestors plight. I have no case.

 

[MostReal]

Just the reality of the situation. When you get past the first reality that it probably wont happen. The second reality is the European isnt paying people for slavery alone who didnt actually experience it. So its best to just put slavery in a basket of grievences,with slavery being about #8 on the list. And if slavery is 8th on the list,lineage wouldnt be the focus

Negged for lack of respect

 

[No Homo]

But others disagreed, saying any black people who moved to the US for better opportunities have no right to reparations for slavery in this country.

“It was our choice to come here,” said Mona Davids, a black South African who moved to New York as a child.


“The only beneficiaries of reparations should be descendants of chattel slavery — not African immigrants or Afro-Caribbean descendants.”

Pretty much..should be end of discussion.

 

[verbalkint]

Tethers not gonna let this go either. "They" won...

 

[Mowgli]

For who

Well the local level is filled with immigrant politicians who are now piggy backing off our history.

 

[Still Benefited]

Incorrect, which is why the case consists of enslaved and freedman from the soil of the United States. This is the country we derived from. The basis of this country was built upon the backs of my people.
I can't move to the Caribbean or Africa and demand to be compensated for something from your ancestors plight. I have no case.

Well would you have anything to add to their case if you went to Africa or the Caribean asking for compensation? If you did they would be foolish to reject you.


If we worked in a Tesla plant and we all filed a lawsuit for the horrible and dangerous working conditions. But our reasoning was being scoffed at and not taken seriously. Would you reject previous employees trying to get on board the class action lawsuit? Despite the fact they can show pattern,and offer proof that makes your case stronger?


The oppression of black people collectively is a far stronger case for reperations than one centered around slavery

 

[Still Benefited]

Negged for lack of respect

Im "African American",and truth as I see it isnt disrespect. But it seems that some of you are under the illusion that your case for reperations is strong. Right now its not strong in the courts or with the public when the argument is centered on slavery. Might not be any stronger if it wasnt. But it would at least stop the "you didnt go through slavery directly"rebuttal. Or the "That was our ancestors,not us" argument. Which is always the immediate response.


Systematic oppression is recent and current,yet we want to reach back to slavery. Which quite frankly most of yall dont really give a damn about. Some might even call it disrespectful to act like we aint been through shyt else as a people besides slavery as a collective

 

[MostReal]

Well would you have anything to add to their case if you went to Africa or the Caribean asking for compensation? If you did they would be foolish to reject you.


If we worked in a Tesla plant and we all filed a lawsuit for the horrible and dangerous working conditions. But our reasoning was being scoffed at and not taken seriously. Would you reject previous employees trying to get on board the class action lawsuit? Despite the fact they can show pattern,and offer proof that makes your case stronger?


The oppression of black people collectively is a far stronger case for reperations than one centered around slavery

You're missing the point. The United States government is not responsible for your case, hence why it would get thrown out. The countries directly responsible for the Caribbean and or Africa is your only shot.
Adding myself to your case in the Caribbean doesn't make it stronger it in fact weakens it because I have no grounds.
The soil is paramount to this kind of discussion. Grounds is the basis for the case.