Black parents are dream killers, take their advice with caution, dont let them indoctrinate you

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Um no....you're wrong. OP's post is full of stereotypical bullshyt.


Can We Finally Drop the Idea That Black Parents Don't Care About Education? - Education Post

Can We Finally Drop the Idea That Black Parents Don’t Care About Education?
POSTED OCT. 16, 2015 IN ACCOUNTABILITY
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One of the most weathered claims about black parents is that we are not as involved as we need to be for the educational success of our children. At best we are said to be insufficiently prepared for the tasks of parenting. At worst, less valuing of education in comparison to other racial groups.

We have always known these claims are baseless, but now we have more evidence that our detractors are simply out of pocket.

A new poll from my colleagues at Education Post confirms what should be obvious: black parents care about the education our kids receive; we are the most hopeful about what they can achieve; and we are among the biggest supporters of public schools.

It might surprise some readers of the poll that more than any group, black parents put a high premium on parental responsibility, and we are the most willing to say we can do more as parents to improve education.

We are also most likely to say teachers need support and resources to be effective in the classroom. When we find a school for our children, we are the most likely to express satisfaction with it.

Taken together, this all means to me that black parents should be embraced as the single most supportive group in public education, not derided as the problem dragging it down. When there are conversations about improving schools we shouldn’t hear “you can’t expect schools to solve all of societies ills.” Our children are not ills, and we are not a problem that needs solving. We simply want our children to learn and succeed in life.

The natural thing to do is to read this poll like a Rorschach, taking from it whatever conveniently supports some political position. I warn against that inclination. The nuances make it impossible for any “side” of the education debate to claim black parents’ support without qualifications.

Education bureaucrats and their workers shouldn’t hear only what they want to hear from this polling. They should listen without prejudice. They should get the message that black parents support public education, and we are hopeful, but we have some expectations too.

In addition to being supporters, the poll results say that black parents are more likely to expect state officials and local school districts to intervene when there are “chronically low-performing schools,” and we want there to be higher standards and more challenging curriculum for our kids.

School reformers will obviously appreciate the fact that black parents want teachers and principals to be held accountable for student achievement. But those same reformers should hear these parents’ call for “a stronger focus on social and emotional development in addition to core academic subjects like math, science, and reading.”

Teachers and their unions should take comfort in the fact that black parents want their teachers to be respected, and at the same time, we greatly prioritize “removing ineffective teachers.” Further, black parents are very supportive of charter schools, something that teachers unions vigorously oppose in every state.

State leaders should be mindful that even though black parents are more likely to say college is right for every child, we also support vocational education as an option for those who want pathways into careers after high school.

On that note about college, while 63 percent of white parents strongly believe college is the right path for their own children—compared to 78 percent of black parents—fewer of them think it is right for all kids. By contrast, 51 percent of black parents parents say it is important for all kids to go to college, compared to 34 percent of whites.

No doubt we value education.

What all of this means to me is that there is a gulf between the aspirations of black families and the outcomes of the schools that serve their children. Our parents are partners, not problems. And, we have a lot of work ahead of us to make public education worthy of all this hope, and accountable to our black expectations.
 

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It's not the parents that are the problem:

America’s Teachers Still Don’t Think Black and Latino Kids Are Smart
Researchers from the Center for American Progress found that many educators continue to have lower expectations for students of color.
OCT 10, 2014

Britni Danielle is a regular contributor to TakePart. She writes on a variety of subjects for Clutch, Ebony, Jet, and others.

Students of color are up against difficult odds. They are more likely to be trapped in failing, underfunded schools; more likely to be suspended for minor infractions; less likely to have “expert teachers.” While policy makers, educators, parents, and politicians seem to be scrambling to figure out how to close the achievement gap by demanding more rigorous nationwide standards, a new report by the Center for American Progress found that the very folks tasked with making sure kids of color succeed might be the ones holding them back.

In The Power of the Pygmalion Effect, CAP researchers combed through a decade of data about 10th graders to explore how teacher expectations affect student achievement. Predictably, the report found that high schoolers whose teachers had high expectations for their future were far more likely to finish college than those whose teachers did not. Sounds great—until you further analyze the results.

“Secondary teachers have lower expectations for students of color and students from disadvantaged backgrounds,” the report’s authors write. “Secondary teachers predicted that high-poverty students were 53 percent less likely to earn a college diploma than their more affluent peers.”

While it seems logical that economically disadvantaged students would struggle more than their affluent peers to finish college, given the difficulties they face, the report also found that many teachers have lower expectations for students of color before they even step into the classroom.

According to an analysis of teacher attitudes, educators believed “African American students were 47 percent less likely to graduate from college than their white peers.” Hispanic students didn’t fare much better: Teachers thought they were 42 percent less likely to earn a college diploma than their white classmates.

Though the breakdown in how students are viewed based on their race seems troubling, CAP researchers caution against labeling teachers as racist simply because they view possible student outcomes differently.

“Educators’ expectations might simply be a mirror of the broader problems of the nation’s education system,” the report’s authors write. But Rafranz Davis, an instructional technology specialist in Dallas, says the issue goes deeper than that.

“As a teacher and as a parent, I have definitely experienced that some teachers still have wild assumptions of inability when it comes to kids of color,” Davis says. “Generally people still correlate all students of color with poverty, and they apply what they think that they know about poverty to student achievement.”

Despite some teachers’ harboring stereotypes about minority students, Davis says she’s found that students of color are far less likely to be stigmatized when their teachers look like them.

“I have found that students in schools with majority teachers of color do not share the same [negative] academic experience, while students in schools with little to no teachers of color certainly do,” she notes. “For example, a white kid in an AP class is no surprise, but a Hispanic or black kid is often met with ‘Wow, I didn’t expect him/her to be so articulate.’ ”

This inherent, often unconscious bias on the part of some teachers prevents many from connecting with students, which only furthers the notion that kids of color don’t want to learn.

“People do not see the urgency of the need to support and motivate students of color,” Davis says. “I live in Texas, and most white teachers think that racism does not exist anymore, and many of them believe that when [people of color] see and feel it, we are playing the race card. People write off students of color because they don’t identify with their own biases. To them, they are color-blind.”

Jose Lara, a teacher and the vice president of the El Rancho Unified School District, just outside Los Angeles, agrees that low teacher expectations is a challenge kids of color face, but he says it’s not the most important one.

“It’s not about just ‘higher expectations’—it’s about the material conditions of our schools, the curriculum that is taught, and the lack of support for students,” Lara says. “The largest indicator of student success and failure is not teachers’ attitudes, high-stakes tests, or expectations; it’s poverty.” Lara says plenty of other problems affect students of color, such as zero-tolerance discipline policies, a lack of ethnic studies courses, and a lack of funding for smaller class sizes and support staff such as counselors, social workers, and librarians.

“To talk about higher expectations and avoid talking about these large social issues is a cop-out for those who would rather fund prisons than schools,” he says.

Despite Lara’s push to broaden the conversation beyond teacher expectations, how educators view their students does matter.

“After controlling for student demographics, teacher expectations were more predictive of college success than many major factors, including student motivation and student effort,” the CAP researchers write.

In the end, CAP recommends that teacher preparation programs do a better job of reiterating the importance of having high expectations for all students, regardless of race. Lara says that isn’t enough.

Schools must ensure “educators come from diverse backgrounds and are knowledgeable about student real-life experiences,” he says, echoing findings that students of color perform better when taught by teachers who look like them. “Show me a well-funded school that respects students’ culture and history, treats teachers like professionals and parents as partners, and I will show you a high-performing school.”
 

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Only a small portion of the previous generations "laid the groundwork for our generation to flourish" the vast majority didn't have any long-term investments, stocks and/or bonds, property ownership, college home-buying funds, long-standing interests like mathematics and the like, etc.
Its not "spoiled" to admit that the last generation failed.

Because they had no access to the sane doors we do. Yall are to oblivious to the landscape of America prior to the 80s/90s. When I say laid the groundwork that refers to civil rights...labor laws...affirmitive action...changing the poltical landscape...bridging the maibstream gap.

We have access to the things you mention because of thier sacrafice. It wasnt thier job to break into those fields. Its ours.
 

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Maybe some of your parents just ain't worth a damn. Ever consider that?

I'm black... my parents paid for the vast majority of my college education, told me they would buy me a car if I graduated with honors (I did and they followed through, although they made me pay like 3k-4k of it from an investment account that they actually set up for me when I was a kid), they helped my wife and me with our down payment on our house, and they have also expressed willingness to invest in my brothers and me if we come up with a viable business idea/plan.

Not to mention my mother is retired and volunteers to watch our babies to help us save money and she has taken on couponing and helps us with diapers and grocery items.

And my wife's parents have done just as much for her/us. I love and appreciate both of our parents

:yeshrug:
 

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Maybe some of your parents just ain't worth a damn. Ever consider that?

I'm black... my parents paid for the vast majority of my college education, told me they would buy me a car if I graduated with honors (I did and they followed through, although they made me pay like 3k-4k of it from an investment account that they actually set up for me when I was a kid), they helped my wife and me with our down payment on our house, and they have also expressed willingness to invest in my brothers and me if we come up with a viable business idea/plan.

Not to mention my mother is retired and volunteers to watch our babies to help us save money and she has taken on couponing and helps us with diapers and grocery items.

And my wife's parents have done just as much for her/us. I love and appreciate both of our parents

:yeshrug:

Op probably is super grown and wants to be a rapper or a painter or some shyt and sucks badly at it. His parents are telling him to get a job and he is talking about his dream...

Stfu and get a job grouch
 

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ummm the only reason affirmative action exists is because our parents didnt build shyt, and constantly begged the white man for shyt. Forcing them to hire a certain percentage of us at their establishments.

you have to ask the question, why would you want to work for a white owned establishment helping that company operate and grow stronger (then turn around and complain about white supremacy)?


Maybe some of your parents just ain't worth a damn. Ever consider that?

I'm black... my parents paid for the vast majority of my college education, told me they would buy me a car if I graduated with honors (I did and they followed through, although they made me pay like 3k-4k of it from an investment account that they actually set up for me when I was a kid), they helped my wife and me with our down payment on our house, and they have also expressed willingness to invest in my brothers and me if we come up with a viable business idea/plan.

Not to mention my mother is retired and volunteers to watch our babies to help us save money and she has taken on couponing and helps us with diapers and grocery items.

And my wife's parents have done just as much for her/us. I love and appreciate both of our parents

:yeshrug:

its hilarious how you cant 'consider' the fact that the statement made by @DrX is true. did he say 'all black parents'? No he made a general statement. When you look into the black communities that are poverty stricken and crime riddled, do you honestly think the children in those neighborhoods had parents like yours? Just gloss over the fact that the majority of black people in america have parents like @DrX described, and not like yours. Youre lucky to have parents like yours because most black people dont get the opportunity to be taught the value of a dollar, business, hell even something as simple as sex education. Completely ignore the fact that most of us are coming from single parent households.

70% of black children are born out of wedlock yo, acting as if this doesnt exist doesn't make the problem magically go away sir.
 

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ummm the only reason affirmative action exists is because our parents didnt build shyt, and constantly begged the white man for shyt. Forcing them to hire a certain percentage of us at their establishments.

you have to ask the question, why would you want to work for a white owned establishment helping that company operate and grow stronger (then turn around and complain about white supremacy)?




its hilarious how you cant 'consider' the fact that the statement made by @DrX is true. did he say 'all black parents'? No he made a general statement. When you look into the black communities that are poverty stricken and crime riddled, do you honestly think the children in those neighborhoods had parents like yours? Just gloss over the fact that the majority of black people in america have parents like @DrX described, and not like yours. Youre lucky to have parents like yours because most black people dont get the opportunity to be taught the value of a dollar, business, hell even something as simple as sex education. Completely ignore the fact that most of us are coming from single parent households.

70% of black children are born out of wedlock yo, acting as if this doesnt exist doesn't make the problem magically go away sir.

Take personal gripes as a general rule that applies to a whole race of people brehs.

And think demanding equal college admission..loans..and employment hiring is "begging white people"...be piss poor pieces of shyt to self absorbed and ignorant to understand the importance and neccessity of black infiltration. nikkas really think they are future black elites.

Further more Affirmitive Action gots its start by white women. But you would know that if you picked these things called BOOKS..
 
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ummm the only reason affirmative action exists is because our parents didnt build shyt, and constantly begged the white man for shyt. Forcing them to hire a certain percentage of us at their establishments.

you have to ask the question, why would you want to work for a white owned establishment helping that company operate and grow stronger (then turn around and complain about white supremacy)?




its hilarious how you cant 'consider' the fact that the statement made by @DrX is true. did he say 'all black parents'? No he made a general statement. When you look into the black communities that are poverty stricken and crime riddled, do you honestly think the children in those neighborhoods had parents like yours? Just gloss over the fact that the majority of black people in america have parents like @DrX described, and not like yours. Youre lucky to have parents like yours because most black people dont get the opportunity to be taught the value of a dollar, business, hell even something as simple as sex education. Completely ignore the fact that most of us are coming from single parent households.

70% of black children are born out of wedlock yo, acting as if this doesnt exist doesn't make the problem magically go away sir.

By not qualifying his statement with "a lot" or "most" or "some," the implication is that he meant all. Furthermore, if he didn't mean all then there is no premise for this thread. At the very least he is saying that the overwhelming majority of black parents are bad... but the reality is the same could apply to American parents of any race. His opinion of what makes a bad parent is one based primarily in HIS OWN opinion of what a good parent should do. Working for "the white man" can make people millioniares and put them into position to allow their children to build. But apparently he wants to skip that step. Wealth isn't created out of thin air. If my parents didn't work for "the white man" and "the white government" I wouldnt have been provided with the same opportunities I have now (like free healthcare until 26. Now my mother is a retired VP bank branch manager and my step dad is a government contractor after serving 30 years in the military. Now maybe I can start my own business because of them... and that's just ONE of the flaws in his argument. Fl

All of my friends growing up have what I'd consider good parents except for 1. All black. They are now a lawyer, a doctor, a PA, a Health Director at a hospital, an Assistant AD at a D-1 school, a social worker and an E6 in the military... and we all went to the worst high school in our city with a 70% black population.

Sidenote: My mother was a single parent at one point as well. Luckily my step father wasn't a coli member or my mother would have had to work twice as hard to give us the same opportunities.
 

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By not qualifying his statement with "a lot" or "most" or "some," the implication is that he meant all. Furthermore, if he didn't mean all then there is no premise for this thread. At the very least he is saying that the overwhelming majority of black parents are bad... but the reality is the same could apply to American parents of any race. His opinion of what makes a bad parent is one based primarily in HIS OWN opinion of what a good parent should do. Working for "the white man" can make people millioniares and put them into position to allow their children to build. But apparently he wants to skip that step. Wealth isn't created out of thin air. If my parents didn't work for "the white man" and "the white government" I wouldnt have been provided with the same opportunities I have now (like free healthcare until 26. Now my mother is a retired VP bank branch manager and my step dad is a government contractor after serving 30 years in the military. Now maybe I can start my own business because of them... and that's just ONE of the flaws in his argument. Fl

All of my friends growing up have what I'd consider good parents except for 1. All black. They are now a lawyer, a doctor, a PA, a Health Director at a hospital, an Assistant AD at a D-1 school, a social worker and an E6 in the military... and we all went to the worst high school in our city with a 70% black population.

Sidenote: My mother was a single parent at one point as well. Luckily my step father wasn't a coli member or my mother would have had to work twice as hard to give us the same opportunities.

Dont go talking good common sense to one tracked mind dumbasses. All other blacks are lost except themselves. They are the the exception..:merchant:
 

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Oldheads in general didn't create shyt for blacks. Where are the black businesses they built, where are the jobs they created? Where's the black ownership? What did they build and pass down to black ppl? Stories about how fly they were, pics of a Caddy? Not even the Caddy itself, but PICS of it :jbhmm:

Not wealth, but "memories". And the "advice"? Get a job from a white man. Lol

And don't say "b-b-but all races do that!!! :damn:" No the fukk they don't. Especially not cacs and Asians.

Not only did old nikkas NOT build, they also look at the younger generation like it's our fault that THEY failed to build. :mjlol:

The nerve of these nikkas.

Constantly preaching to young black ppl to just "get a job" from a white man turned out to not be the best advice. And even to this day, after all these years, most old nikkas are still going around preaching this same thing. "You got a job, you'll be fine" :what: You'd think by now, more of them would have realized that black ownership is what will help black ppl, not simply begging for jobs in white men's businesses for eternity. After all these years of seeing it firsthand, they still don't get it. A lot of us have jobs working for whites, yet our race is still losing to everyone else economically. So why do these old nikkas still act like working for a cac boss is the answer to everything?

:wow:
 
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