Black people need more patriarchy not less

[Bossino]

explain what this "accountability" would look like?

Doing what you please but not blaming men for the outcomes, for men the converse. I was fairly explicit in the last post.

 

[Savvir]

Doing what you please but not blaming men for the outcomes, for men the converse. I was fairly explicit in the last post.

you didn't explain how "accountability" would affect the women in an ideal scenario

it's just a vague term that you don't really give any real world examples of.

 

[Bossino]

you didn't explain how "accountability" would affect the women in an ideal scenario

it's just a vague term that you don't really give any real world examples of.

Accountability would just mean woman stop blaming men on social media and in real life for personal mistakes. Reinforcement/punishment for a lack of accountability which is what I assume you're getting at would ideally be ostracism/exclusion from the community, a scarlet letter of sorts that relegates them to men who also have made poor choices. I don't need to shyt on single mothers who are in that position due their poor personal choices, because I ignore them. They are a non factor in any/everything outside of casual sex and even in that realm there has to be little to no effort put in or I'm not interested whatsoever.

 

[Savvir]

Accountability would just mean woman stop blaming men on social media and in real life for personal mistakes. Reinforcement/punishment for a lack of accountability which is what I assume you're getting at would ideally be ostracism/exclusion from the community, a scarlet letter of sorts that relegates them to men who also have made poor choices. I don't need to shyt on single mothers who are in that position due their poor personal choices, because I ignore them. They are a non factor in any/everything outside of casual sex and even in that realm there has to be little to no effort put in or I'm not interested whatsoever.

so you want women who have made mistakes to stop criticizing men

and you want women who have made mistakes to be ostracized by society and forced to only date men who have made mistakes?

gotcha

 

[Bossino]

so you want women who have made mistakes to stop criticizing men

and you want women who have made mistakes to be ostracized by society and forced to only date men who have made mistakes?

gotcha

I see you've been being obtuse this entire time, I need to explain no further

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I agree—with how you’ve presented your argument in the op. So how are y’all (bm) going to make that happen?

 

[Savvir]

I see you've been being obtuse this entire time, I need to explain no further

I'm just getting down to real world implications of your viewpoint instead of focusing on the emotions you have toward the topic

 

[Will Ross]

explain what this "accountability" would look like?

Holding them accountable for the choices they make in men or the actions they do when they are mad at a man and prevent him from being proper father

 

[Savvir]

Holding them accountable for the choices they make in men or the actions they do when they are mad at a man and prevent him from being proper father

What does "holding them accountable" actually consist of in real life ?

What actions should be taken to "hold them accountable"?

 

[Black Steph Curry]

sounds like ciara dealt with the consequences of making bad decisions...
decided to make a change in her behavior...
and found a guy who matched with her and they have a nice cohesive black family to raise kids in....

I really dont see what the issue is...

Do you think this relationship is keeping Russel from being successful/happy?
What is Russel doing wrong and how is it affecting him?
What are the issues you see that will cause their relationship to fail?

All that ain't really the point of why their marraige is such a polarizing topic. Although I will admit I haven't fully bought into their schtick of making a performative display of how fulfilling their marriage/family life is on social media, comes off as contrived to me, but that's another topic for a different day.

The point is exactly the part of post you cut out and refused to acknowledge, even if everything about their union is as advertised and it's happily every after for them, it's still going to foster unrealistic expectations for the women who are of the same cloth as ciara and are looking to this as an example of the way things should be. Why would Mr Perfect go out of his way to build with a woman with questionable credentials when he could easily build with his female equivalent, or play the field and have fun? The answer is he most likely won't. And when these women finally realize this after years of irresponsible behavior qualified by the falsehood that mr right will in fact be there in the end, they bitter and lash out at men instead of doing some self reflection and analyzing the actions they took that got them where they are, assessing where it is they actually are, and moving accordingly.

 

[Ya?]

I know you're not talking to me but I gotta give a response, because I'm not sure if you're being obtuse or trying to legitimately understand another perspective.

In a vacuum there is no issue, I wish them well as I'm sure most people who aren't bitter would. There's no issue the same way there's no issue with Cardi and Meg making a song called WAP, and promoting promiscuity/ho culture, in a vacuum.

The problem is the example it sets for women who in general at damn near any stage in life are more impressionable than men. The aforementioned women had/have money. So regardless of the relationship choices they could be self sufficient for themselves as well as children with or without a man. Most regular folk who follow these celebs/athletes/etc. don't have money and are closer to poverty or barely getting by than they are to wealth. The average sista plain can't do what Ciara did. I could argue average the average breh can't really do what Russell did either but men (who have morals) know they have to make do somehow, doing whatever for however long to provide for them and theirs. Women don't have the same burden of responsibility and will simply get government aid while simultaneously blaming Men as a collective for their circumstance. They'll pass this bitterness to friends and children even though its a farce, and the reality is she chose poorly and men financially able or not don't see as worth the trouble anymore. Moreover Ciara has access to private chefs, trainers, etc. to keep herself in tip-top condition, meanwhile the average women doesn't ever really get all the way back to her figure prior to child birth.

The problem is it sets a bad precedent, same way Ye dating/marrying whore women does for impressionable Yeezy wearin' jits, but the vast majority of men would decline to date a known whore.

The number of young men seeking role models in the wrong places and screw their lives over want to have their word with you

 

[CW_1991]

I believe one way to start getting our society back in order is for men to start choosing women better. Stop impregnating these low-level females who were never raised to respect masculinity and male leadership. But every man has to also be on point with things like his decision-making and the way he moves in his everyday comings and goings. Also turning back to the Bible.

If man A through Z all did this the women would eventually start to change their conduct in order to fit and be accepted. Otherwise they wouldn't be gifted with children and things of that nature. Of course the government intentionally backs them up on things like housing and other things to controvert the need of a man.

 

[BruhManFromTheFifthFlo]

Nothing can be done about it. American women, with the help of feminism, have convinced themselves that they don’t need a man to raise a child


Y’all nikkas need to cop a foreign

 

[The Fade]

I’m not explicitly for patriarchy Or matriarchy


But the mother being the head of the black family is not working very well. Consumer culture is not the wave

We need our producer culture back

 

[Scott Larock]

Nothing can be done about it. American women, with the help of feminism, have convinced themselves that they don’t need a man to raise a child


Y’all nikkas need to cop a foreign

Yep, too profitable...

I really think if they could break cacs and have them living in that high single mother environment they would, cacs racism and hatred is so strong it keeps alot of them together even when they hate each other.

Way too profitable to go back to the 60s...

Nothing can be done except to choose very wise and don't be a chump.