Black People need to dead this "P.O.C./Intersectionality" bullsh1t.

[damn_ese]

can't be mad at this, other minorities might support black people in spirit, but sometimes it seems thats where it ends. although you sometimes do see brown berets and other mexican american groups show up to support black causes.
but yeah, like anything in life, no one will look after your interests better than yourself.

thats why a couple years ago it was mostly Mexicans that protested for immigration reform in the streets of america, most black people i'm sure have a live and let live attitude about it but I think a lot were like "I not protesting with you ese, although I do support your cause"

 

[Barnett114]

Bra check the black community before we allowed single moms to become the norm poverty to become the norm etc. Those situations breed nikkars which is the worst black people. And gives good blacks a bad name. And majority of blacks are good people being held hostage by nikkars

Be stupid brehs

Poverty has always been the norm in the black community even before the out of wedlock birthrates went up

The black family has also never been in tact

According to data extracted from 1910 census manuscripts, compared to white women, black women are more likely to become teenage mothers, stay single and have marriage instability, and are thus much more likely to live in female-headed single-parent homes.

Get the fukk outta here nikka

 

[NobodyReally]

lol thats not normative at all.

I mean we can go in circles all day, but you still haven't answered the question of how people are supposed to realistically unify over a sustained period of time if they're constantly being shunned, belittled, or outright attacked for their other identities. I think for short crisis situations, black people have and will continue to unify, but that doesn't really speak to long term efforts to bring people together. You can act like these other identities don't play a part in that discussion, but we know they do.

 

[godkiller]

I don't understand why some of you all can't accept that we can focus on Black empowerment as a whole while recognizing that there are different issues within our own community that need to be tackled.

Men and women do face different issues. There is a cultural difference between rich Blacks and poor Blacks. Sometimes, immigrant Blacks can get treated better with a golden spoon from Cac America than Black Americans themselves.

Recognizing these differences of problems and actively working towards them to help make our community as a whole doesn't take away from Black empowerment. In my opinion, it adds to it.

Regardless, I really don't ever see pan-africanism working. Cultural can run deeper than race and lets be honest, Black Americans still have a history and experience vastly different from native born Africans. I know of some Africans who never really get it until they actually emigrate to America themselves.

I mean shyt, even non-American Asians are notorious for not wanting to claim their American Asian brethren and Latinos aren't 100% percent on solidarity among themselves either (they do clarify a difference among their own nationalities). However, since the USA loves to put everybody in a neat box, it's something hard for us to comprehend.

All this might sound very unpopular on this site but I'm just speaking from observations and experience.

First, focusing on division rather than unity only leads to more division. Black empowerment is difficult to achieve on its own without splitting one's attentions to miscellaneous isuses. Moreover many of the "different issues" you're talking about aren't real issues at face. Putting focus on them is what makes them "real" same as putting focus on racism against cacs is what makes that "real".

To wit, there is a general anti-black theme and sentiment whether one is a rich or poor black. Rich blacks are denied promotions and denied work same as poor blacks. The same is true of immigrant blacks, they just tend to have very high skills. Moreover many immigrant blacks are already integrated into the USA and black America without any fanfare. Nicki Minaj, 50 Cent, etc are all Carribean descent but you couldn't tell so just by looking at them. The best thing for blacks to do is to come together, same as any other people do, and work on black empowerment, same as what whites did.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Group preservation is self preservation. Black people often only about themselves and that's the problem. If blacks want to improve, we need to work together like whites', Asians, etc.

U can't work together when u got divisive nikkars in your race who don't want to see your race prosper. What u saying is a pipe dream. The other races work together because they don't have nearly as many crabs in the buckets and divisive people

 

[Poitier]

I mean we can go in circles all day, but you still haven't answered the question of how people are supposed to realistically unify over a sustained period of time if they're constantly being shunned, belittled, or outright attacked for their other identities.

You aren't in the real world with the question posed.

 

[godkiller]

U can't work together when u got divisive nikkars in your race who don't want to see your race prosper. What u saying is a pipe dream. The other races work together because they don't have nearly as many crabs in the buckets and divisive people

Your post is nonsense. Crime in the black community isn't even because of single motherhood; it's because of a lack of meaningful jobs and because black men resort to the black market to make up the difference. Black people withmeaningful money and jobs don't commit much crime, regardless of whether they are raised by single mothers.

 

[Sithlord Piff]

If feminism was just about equal rights, equal pay for women of all races I have no issue with that...but it seems to me their real agenda is destroying gender roles, attacking male masculinity, and eliminating the traditional family unit. Cant cosign none of this..

 

[Elle Driver]

This is a good question, that I do not have the full answer to.
They do have societal power over the representations of Black men and women worldwide: misogynoir (whether you take it as a serious issue or not) permeated the representations of Black women in every media outlet, and it wasn't White people, it was Black men.
Societal power can be broken up, just as the President is a Black man and has power over the lives of thousands of Syrians and Afghanis, Sudanese and Mexicans, he also has limits.
This answer could probably ramble on an incredibly long time, but Black men certainly do have access to power over certain modes of production, some governance power, and some control over forms of media.
I'll have to think about this and get back to you on that.

Because they have no societal power. That would mean they have influence over society, which they don't besides having black culture appropriated for mass consumption and entertainment. Black men don't own these institutions that created these ideals. That's why you can't come up with an answer.

Where does the brekaup of "Black" stop though? Does it begin and end with Black Americans who's ancestors were enslaved? What about third and forth-generation African immigrants? West Indians in the US? Afro-Latino/Afro-Asian?
Its not as simple as meets the eye.

There is no break up of black though. There are hyphens for a reason, people say black African, Afro Latino, Afro Carribbean, etc. to differentiate. Black American is its own culture and grouping. Just because we are American don't mean another black person of a different ethnicity is black American too even if they've been here for generations.

 

[godkiller]

U can't work together when u got divisive nikkars in your race who don't want to see your race prosper. What u saying is a pipe dream. The other races work together because they don't have nearly as many crabs in the buckets and divisive people

This post is correct. Afterall a black c00n can make more money hating black people than loving them in the West. Such is the magic of white supremacy, it can turn a man against himself. But it is for this reason blacks must start punishing crabs in the bucket and divisive people either socially or physically. I denigrate, shame and dehumanize them. I wish I could do more.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Your post is nonsense. Crime in the black community isn't even because of single motherhood; it's because of a lack of meaningful jobs and because black men resort to the black market to make up the difference. Black people withmeaningful money and jobs don't commit much crime, regardless of whether they are raised by single mothers.

Where was the crime in the black community in the 50 60 70. It wasn't till the war and drugs and the feminist movement erupted did crime and the hood even exist really. When the black community had 80 percent father rates I'm the sixties there weren't no hoods

 

[NobodyReally]

You aren't in the real world with the question posed.

I sat and helped young people organize protest rallies last fall. I also watched as one of the groups splintered and fell apart because some people in the group called the cops fakkits, unwittingly alienating three people in the group who were gay. They all had the same passion and interest in addressing police brutality, but using hurtful language that demeans members of their own group killed the protest before it started.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't understand why some of you all can't accept that we can focus on Black empowerment as a whole while recognizing that there are different issues within our own community that need to be tackled.

Men and women do face different issues. There is a cultural difference between rich Blacks and poor Blacks. Sometimes, immigrant Blacks can get treated better with a golden spoon from Cac America than Black Americans themselves.

Recognizing these differences of problems and actively working towards them to help make our community as a whole doesn't take away from Black empowerment. In my opinion, it adds to it.

Regardless, I really don't ever see pan-africanism working. Cultural can run deeper than race and lets be honest, Black Americans still have a history and experience vastly different from native born Africans. I know of some Africans who never really get it until they actually emigrate to America themselves.

I mean shyt, even non-American Asians are notorious for not wanting to claim their American Asian brethren and Latinos aren't 100% percent on solidarity among themselves either (they do clarify a difference among their own nationalities). However, since the USA loves to put everybody in a neat box, it's something hard for us to comprehend.

All this might sound very unpopular on this site but I'm just speaking from observations and experience.

Priorities

 

[Poitier]

called the cops fakkits, unwittingly alienating three people in the group who were gay.

petty dumb shyt by the gays tbh

 

[godkiller]

I sat and helped young people organize protest rallies last fall. I also watched as one of the groups splintered and fell apart because some people in the group called the cops fakkits, unwittingly alienating three people in the group who were gay. They all had the same passion and interest in addressing police brutality, but using hurtful language that demeans members of their own group killed the protest before it started.

This is a thoughtful post and I agree with you to an extent. Blacks should ensure not to insult otherwise good black allies because of inconsequential choices like homosexuality. c00nery, however, should be punished and hurtful language should be the norm.