Black People need to dead this "P.O.C./Intersectionality" bullsh1t.

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Thomas said:
This is a good question, that I do not have the full answer to.
They do have societal power over the representations of Black men and women worldwide: misogynoir (whether you take it as a serious issue or not) permeated the representations of Black women in every media outlet, and it wasn't White people, it was Black men.
Societal power can be broken up, just as the President is a Black man and has power over the lives of thousands of Syrians and Afghanis, Sudanese and Mexicans, he also has limits.
This answer could probably ramble on an incredibly long time, but Black men certainly do have access to power over certain modes of production, some governance power, and some control over forms of media.
I'll have to think about this and get back to you on that.
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ODOT META said:
Intersectionality came from women relating to women, gays relating to gays.
Keep feminism out of black nationalism...
All you have to do is put your foot down and shun their input. Whenever they use their numbers, a problem is born.
BUT WHAT ABOUT RAPE?
BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS.
WHAT ABOUT HARASSMENT?
Go cry to the crakkkas that made it cool to do.
People are prioritizing sex crime over human life itself.
Y'all need to release yourselves from your mindstates and stop thinking everybody of the opposite sex that shares our race is our friend...They even have teams of weak males defending them because they're under pressure and have to ride that stupid wave. It's all for money and press.
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:salute:This man speaks the truth.
 
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Poitier said:
Shouting? I'm laughing at you.

Talk about empowerment without any power or any plans to seize it because "the fractured relationship between our men and women must be repaired first" :dead:
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Power is taken.You propose that we go into the fight without half our army?....:usure:

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Men tend to be more effective than women in these movements as men speak the loudest and people tend to listen to men more than women. This how the most visible Civil Rights leaders became men more than women. That said, most of the men in the Civil Rights movement were foot soldiers and most of the men were left outside operations/responsibilities. Such is the nature of organizations, and was the nature of organizations back 10 years before when America fought the Nazis and Vietnam. White women were integral to armament, spying and radar and majorly contributed to the war effort. Yet today most of the figures remembered from the Nazi and Vietnam war effort are men for the same reasons most of the figures remembered from Civil Rights are men. If men and women want fame, they should become movie stars, not revolutionaries or soldiers.

A revolutionary and a soldier do what they do because it is right for their nation and people, not for fame. The British radar women, whom operated the radar system which was integral in defeating the Hitler advance, do not whine for the lack of fame. American female spies toil in obscurity and in the name of American citizens whom will never know their names. For these women, victory is award enough and anything else is gravy.

Any woman who wants a balloon parade for doing their fukking job need only look towards their contemporaries in the American military. The reason so many of these feminist whiners are c00ns is because c00ns don't put much value on their country, people, flag, etc. They need more to justify the "sacrifice" they make in the name of their country, people, flag, etc.

To them I say, "fukk you. God Bless America."
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I agree with you on this, but I wasn't speaking about fame. I think we can do more for our sisters to make them feel like we have their best interests at heart. Based off the women in here and the ones I speak with, that is currently not the case. To work with them is NOT a capitulation. The women you speak of were ready to die and bleed for our cause, for us. I merely ask that we be ready to die and bleed for our cause, for them...its simple.
 
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Any idea of black progress that fails to give at least equal space to black women is illegitimate. The idea that black women do not face unique and pressing issues within the black community that deserve to be heard and addressed immediately is laughable. It's literally, literally the same maneuver we condemn white people for doing to black people. People crowing about divineness is honestly dogwhistle bullshyt. Black people have been told for generations to pipe down because speaking out is divisive. There is nothing divisive about bringing the issues our sisters face to the forefront as well. I mean, do you not at least give pause before you consider the optics of telling black women to wait their turn, we'll get to their problems later? In 2016? Telling black women that they have to choose between the socialized oppression of race and the domestic (and socialized) oppression of gender is antithetical to black progression, and the reason intersectionality is a critical concept. I'll be goddamned if I hand my daughters a world where they have to make that distinction because their fate is in the hands of a movement controlled by black men. And the idea that black women's progression is automatically tied to black men's progression is belied by both history and current facts. Black women have revoltingly high rates of intra-racial domestic violence and sexual assault perpetrated against them, and all we have to say to them is "we'll get to that later, trust us, the ones who are predominantly doing it to you." We treat our women like shyt, and they don't have the same socially ingrained protections that white women have. So no, it's not race above all when your concept of "race" has an ingrained gender hierarchy. Bringing the historically shunned perspective of women to the foreground is only destructive if you're misogynist. Just like I wouldn't fight for a gender equality movement that disparages and marginalizes race, I wouldn't fight for a race equality movement that disparages and marginalizes gender.

 
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King Kreole said:
Any idea of black progress that fails to give at least equal space to black women is illegitimate. The idea that black women do not face unique and pressing issues within the black community that deserve to be heard and addressed immediately is laughable. It's literally, literally the same maneuver we condemn white people for doing to black people. People crowing about divineness is honestly dogwhistle bullshyt. Black people have been told for generations to pipe down because speaking out is divisive. There is nothing divisive about bringing the issues our sisters face to the forefront as well. I mean, do you not at least give pause before you consider the optics of telling black women to wait their turn, we'll get to their problems later? In 2016? Telling black women that they have to choose between the socialized oppression of race and the domestic (and socialized) oppression of gender is antithetical to black progression, and the reason intersectionality is a critical concept. I'll be goddamned if I hand my daughters a world where they have to make that distinction because their fate is in the hands of a movement controlled by black men. And the idea that black women's progression is automatically tied to black men's progression is belied by both history and current facts. Black women have revoltingly high rates of intra-racial domestic violence and sexual assault perpetrated against them, and all we have to say to them is "we'll get to that later, trust us, the ones who are predominantly doing it to you." We treat our women like shyt, and they don't have the same socially ingrained protections that white women have. So no, it's not race above all when your concept of "race" has an ingrained gender hierarchy. Bringing the historically shunned perspective of women to the foreground is only destructive if you're misogynist. Just like I wouldn't fight for a gender equality movement that disparages and marginalizes race, I wouldn't fight for a race equality movement that disparages and marginalizes gender.
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So basically i wanna fight white supremacy and the black woman wants to fight me first? :jbhmm:
Not only that, even tho we're both black and oppressed, she won't help me fight white supremacy unless we resolve our intra-racial issues first? :patrice:
Even tho white supremacy is the reason we have these issues in the first place? :lupe:
 
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