Black women killing Black men in the mentoring area

[George's Dilemma]

nikka please

• EBK String
• Dec 20, 2017
• johnny

nikkaplease

higher education is where all this toxic black feminism painting black men as the enemy is emanating from.

That's an exaggeration breh, and actually goes back to @Booksnrain point about media controlling an image and subsequently a narrative. I've said it before, but the Black women I see on the blogs, websites, twitter, etc., promoting the shea butter feminist nonsense, are a minority of Black women. Social Media just makes it so they can be extremely vocal and left leaning mainstream journals are sympathetic to their tripe and give them disproportionate attention at times.

Meanwhile back in reality, the FAR majority of Black women I rub shoulders and elbows including those educated and those with simply a high school degree, are not remotely similar to the women on The Root, Blavity, Twitter, etc..

Can only speak on my experiences here where I work, the Black women here in positions will definitely mentor Black men. A couple in fact have looked out for me professionally. Quite a few others would do the same for me and all I'd have to do is send an IM or an email.

 

[BruhManFromTheFifthFlo]

Take your own personal experience and throw it on everyone else, brehs

I personally don’t need another nikka to mentor me, but I’m not saying others don’t. If that’s what you want then ight, but don’t throw that shyt on everyone else

 

[Ya?]

I don't know of any black male professional networks but I have some black male friends who do help each other. Some black people in corp love to play the token negro and compete with each other for the one black spot. I don't know if that dynamic plays out for BM a lot. In my experience with the black men of my generation they tend not to like to create race based groups like BW do and prefer being part of larger/mainstream networks that are not race specific. I can't say if that is a good or bad strategy but there are definitely pros and cons to that.

On one hand, those who have the means to help you climb the ladder are often non-black and perhaps these men do not feel that there are enough black male mentors in the field they are interested in pursuing.

 

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nikka please

• EBK String
• Dec 20, 2017
• johnny

nikkaplease

higher education is where all this toxic black feminism painting black men as the enemy is emanating from.

Right focus on the Kodak Blks and not the positives, like the thousands of blk female educators lobbying for culturally responsive instruction in schools to mitigate blk males disproportionately being given harsh school disciplinary actions or expulsions.

Ignore that and focus on Twitter freshman shea bitter bytches.

 

[BruhManFromTheFifthFlo]

Lastly, I see PLENTY of blk males advocating and mentoring blk males. There are blk dudes doing it big and even hosting summer camps. We've had blk male business owners run career days at our schools, and taking kids to see Blk Panther, hosting community events.

Problem is all these efforts get swept under the rug but Kodak Blk telling the world he don't like dark chicks? News at 6.

People underestimate the power of media and image. But there is a reason why WHOLE countries control their image.

That’s not the media fault that it’s the only thing nikkad care about. That’s just how life is. Like you can go on a IG thot page and you’ll see thousands of nice comment and nikkas thirsting over her. Out of the thousand nice comments she sees one bad one and that’s the o lot thing she’ll focus on. People just generally focus on negativity. The “media” just shows what people want to see

 

[ezrathegreat]

You are 100% correct Op and it's no else's but black men's own fault. We haven't set up mentorships and programs that specifically help black men and black boys succeed in life.

 

[Supper]

I am being serious. What black female dominated orgs do black men support over their own? I don't see how BW expressing their own feelings of stigmatization prevents BM to support each other. I don't understand why you are dragging BW into this and trying to pit genders against each other.

It's not that black men are supporting black female gender specific organizations over black male gender specific organizations, but that black men are FAR less likely to support, be involved with, or found black gender specific organization, and are more likely to do all of the above with black gender neutral organizations as black men tend to feel obligated not to exclude black women, whereas black women don't have that same sense of obligation to black men, which leads to a lot less focus on advocacy and issues concerning black men & boys and heavy slant towards those that do for black women and girls as they get both the benefit of both the black gender neutral black community advocacy of black men and the gender specific advocacy of black women, on top of benefiting far more than black males from tax funded social services and benevolent sexist initiatives aimed at 'minority groups', because they tick more 'intersectional' quota boxes than us.

I didn't the 'drag black women into this', black women were used as a benchmark of comparison to black men from the outset in the OP. And I didn't pit the genders against each other either as I specifically stated that I'm not against black women advocating for black women and girls.

Double discrimination is real...for BW such as myself working corporate and for you to dismiss it is frankly insulting.

Yeah, maybe against black men, because statistically black men from the time that they're children face FAR more systematic oppression and marginalization than black women using just about every metric that you can think of.
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/28010491/

I can't deny your personal experience, but what I can do is present tangible empirical evidence to my claims, which holds far more weight.

What's more insulting is the many black women out there who completely ignore the plight of black men & boys who work with the dominant society in media & academia to try to slander & paint us as some kind of oppressors of black women, while denying their own relatively privileged position in this society to us in textbook cognitively dissonant fashion.

And yes black men do need to start supporting each other more, and PART(but not all) of doing that is getting rid of our sense of obligation and dependency on black female companionship in our black community advocacy.

 

[Diondon]

Ummm nah
But every lick I've gotten corporate wise has been from a black woman

 

[King Poetic]

Great thread

So I had a male co worker ask me can I help out on Saturday with some black kids who learning disabilities are bad..u have some on a 9th grade level but can't read or know math pass a 6th grade level..

So I go up to the center and I was the only black man among 15 black women..

I just shook my head, like these black kids especially boys need help and black men nowhere to be found..

Let a Nipsey concert or video shoot take place they everywhere

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Op needs to get out more. They’re tons of black male programs.

-100 black men of America
-Thyblackman can
-YBM ( Young black male) leadership alliance

If you go to college they’re programs designed for black men ( especially first generation college black men), think R.I.S.E mentor ship ( Howard, CUNY , SJU), think Uconn having all black male dorms so they can network together.

This doesn’t even include professional organizations like

-NABA
-NSBE

Which are loaded with brothers willing to help.

You can read this article about black
Men trying to help out the next generation of black men.

An Inside Look at What’s Keeping Black Men out of the Executive Suite

 

[Supper]

Op needs to get out more. They’re tons of black male programs.

-100 black men of America
-Thyblackman can
-YBM ( Young black male) leadership alliance

There's still far more and prominent black female organizations.

- Black Career Women's Network
- Higher Heights
- Sistersong
- GIrls for change
- National Coalition of 100 black women
- National Association of Colored womens clubs
- National Congress of Black women Inc
- National Council of Negro women
- Black women's Health Imperative
- SisterLove Inc
- National Black Women's Justice Institute
- Black women's Blueprint
- Black women's Roundtable
- Black women for Wellness

And many, MANY more.
Category:African-American women's organizations - Wikipedia

I mean, where do you find organizations that advocate harnessing the political power of black men in specific to push for black male agendas in government like the many you'll for black women? Hell, dudes will try to fight me for even pointing out the fact that we black men have a lot of VERY clear separate & distinctive interest in society from black women, some of which may even be opposing. Black women recognize this and organize themselves accordingly, but black men seem to be the only ones in apathetic or in outright denial about this.

-NABA
-NSBE

These were founded by black men, the NSBE at least. But, they are gender NEUTRAL organizations, which goes back to what I've stated before black men are far more likely to create black gender neutral platforms not to exclude black females, whereas black women are far more likely to create black female gender specific platforms for black women and girls. Which leaves a huge disparity in the amount of grass roots advocacy that black men and boys get in comparison to black women and girls.

There's no denying this and it needs to change

 

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That's an exaggeration breh, and actually goes back to @Booksnrain point about media controlling an image and subsequently a narrative. I've said it before, but the Black women I see on the blogs, websites, twitter, etc., promoting the shea butter feminist nonsense, are a minority of Black women. Social Media just makes it so they can be extremely vocal and left leaning mainstream journals are sympathetic to their tripe and give them disproportionate attention at times.

Meanwhile back in reality, the FAR majority of Black women I rub shoulders and elbows including those educated and those with simply a high school degree, are not remotely similar to the women on The Root, Blavity, Twitter, etc..

Can only speak on my experiences here where I work, the Black women here in positions will definitely mentor Black men. A couple in fact have looked out for me professionally. Quite a few others would do the same for me and all I'd have to do is send an IM or an email.

Riiiiiiight! It's like he did EXACTLY what I was describing. Forums really do a great job of highlighting those neat little metacognitive moments.

Somebody will come thru and do EXACTLY what you were just describing. In my head I be like "Seeeeeeeee! Exhibit A!"

Meanwhile, there are blk women who have been literally working OVERTIME to identify injustices with young blk male students.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001440290006600308

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3200/TCHS.79.1.45-50?journalCode=vtch20

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10665680490429280

Hell just Google blk male disproportionality discipline and there are PLENTY of blk female researchers advocating. But I guess b/c they ain't got ass and titties out on IG and talking bout white zaddy, they invisible.

shyt is sickening. Thank you Gloria Larson-Billings for applying critical race theory to education to help particularly black male students. Wish you were on IG so you could get some notice but ur work will fade into obscurity on a dusty ass shelf somewhere while people like OP assert that you and countless other blk women never existed.

 

[Dad]

Black women have all type of networking groups and mentoring groups for black women professionals and they put on other black women. Black men on the other hand see black men as threats and aren't willing to extend a helping hand. No black man has ever took time out to give me game other than street nikkas. we all we got so this is ridiculous we don't help each other.

you don't have any uncles, father, cousin? I don't understand how this is possible

 

[Ya?]

There's still far more and prominant black female organizations.

- Black Career Women's Network
- Higher Heights
- Sistersong
- GIrls for change
- National Coalition of 100 black women
- National Association of Colored womens clubs
- National Congress of Black women Inc
- National Council of Negro women
- Black women's Health Imperative
- SisterLove Inc
- National Black Women's Justice Institute
- Black women's Blueprint
- Black women's Roundtable
- Black women for Wellness

And many, MANY more.
Category:African-American women's organizations - Wikipedia

I mean, where do you find organizations that advocate harnessing the political power of black men in specific to push for black male agendas in government like the many you'll for black women. Hell, dudes will try to fight me for even pointing out the fact that we black men have a lot of VERY clear and distinctive interest in society from black women, some of which may even be opposing. Black women recognize this, but black men seem to be the only ones in denial about this.



These were founded by black men, the NSBE at least. But, they are gender NEUTRAL organizations, which goes back to what I've stated before black men are far more likely to create black gender neutral platforms not to exclude black females, whereas black women are far more likely to create black female gender specific platforms for black women and girls. Which leaves a huge disparity in the amount of grass roots advocacy that black men and boys get in comparison to black women and girls.

There's no denying this and it needs to change

If I as a Black women start an organisation for black girls because I understand the struggles that BW face, how does that prevent for BM the same to do the same. That is what I am not understanding from your comment. Are the black femal orgs blocking black male orgs from existing or being started or created funding. Have Black male led orgs reached out to black female orgs and attempted to collaborate? How many BM are in the social justice/grassroots orgs in the first place.

My issue with how you frame your comment, sets up as if because BW attempt to take care of each other that takes away from BM. BW are far more visible and present in grassroots orgs than BM. Even on this very site many posters have been critical of black women being over involved social justice type orgs because there is a little money in it (which I do not disagree).

Most of black female oriented networking groups I am part of consist of BW many BM I know in my demographic do not like race geared groups and prefer mainstream networking groups over black ones. That is my personally experience, so in this climate I say to you how is that BW fault?

I agree that doors for BM open less easily than BW but when they do, their climb up the ladder is much smoother than a BW's. BW glass ceiling is doubled down by both being Black and Women. Women are less represented in than men in higher up professions and if it is a woman than it is more likely white or Asian. BW have to also grapple being perceived ABW stereotype and deal with passive aggressiveness of whites just like BM.

I have never experienced any BW rejecting BM in their orgs and I am sure many would welcome it. You guys really underestimate male ego.

If anything I would prefer BW to continue focusing on helping BW professionally and children and let BM themselves show the incentive that they want to be part of it. I sense sometimes resentment from BM in the professional world having BW at the head.

 

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Also here are a few others.

OKprogram
Milwaukee Man Starts Mentoring Program for Black Youth in 53206
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BMLDI
BMEN The Black Male Excellence Network (BMEN) - Division of Diversity and Inclusion - Purdue University
Home | Campaign for Black Male Achievement
National Black Men's Health Network National Black Men's Health Network Volunteer Opportunities - VolunteerMatch