"Blacks Are Stealing History" Egypt, Sumer, China, Maya etc etc
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“Original Hebrews” still exist though look no further than the Ethiopian Jews
Two of the 12 tribes traced their lineage through DNA in Nigeria and Zimbabwe, forgot the tribe’s name.“Original Hebrews” still exist though look no further than the Ethiopian Jews
I don't think so, Judaism has nothing in common with West African spirituality and religions, as far as i know Judaism is a combination of Canaanite religions and Mesopotamian myths, two regions that weren't exactly known for their black populations.
Fully Nigerian..... Nigerians, no offense, have historically been the least reliable sub group of our people for unity or even to have these convos.
lol
just to put it out there, West Africans are not related to Ancient Egytians. There's I said it.
most West Africans do not care about egytian culture nor do they claim it. We have our own history. If new world black folks want to be from Egypt, be my guest.
I'm gonna need way more concrete evidence than the ones that are usually posted here for me to believe they were west africans, I don't really care about pictures that share the same cultural element like artworks like jewelry and hairstyle. that's not good enough.
just to put it out there, West Africans are not related to Ancient Egytians. There's I said it.
most West Africans do not care about egytian culture nor do they claim it. We have our own history. If new world black folks want to be from Egypt, be my guest.
I'm gonna need way more concrete evidence than the ones that are usually posted here for me to believe they were west africans, I don't really care about pictures that share the same cultural element like artworks like jewelry and hairstyle. that's not good enough.
Ozymandeas
Veteran
Yall gotta stop saying this. Egypt is a part of Africa. Not Europe. Not Arabia. Africa. I did 23 & Me and it straight up said I shared ancestry with Rameses III.
After seeing that, I'll never let anyone make me feel funny about talking about Egypt.
Ozymandeas
Veteran
Where do most West African tribes claim they came from before they settled in West Africa according to both oral traditions and written scribal history in the 80 or so libraries in Timbuktu? As well as what's recorded in post Middle ages West African manuscripts like Tarikh Al-Sudan and Tarikh Al-Fattash? Why is the oldest clade of Supposed "West African DNA" markers found in the Levant/West Asia and not West/Central Africa?
Ramses III carried a paternal DNA marker that 80% of "ADOS" males carry. So how you figure our particular line has NOTHING to do with Egyptian history in antiquity? Although Ramses III father Setnakthe was likely an Asiatic who had no proven geneaological link with any previous Egyptian dynasty...but that's a whole nother discussion.
But to say we have NO geneaological links with Egypt in antiquity?
DNA says that's wholly incorrect.
Exactly. I was like
sh*t when I saw my profile. These crackas lied to us.
Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
It is kinda crazy that there are several African cultures that point to Egypt in their oral traditions.
Even in Haiti - King Henri Chrisophe and the former slaves spoke about their ancestors from Egypt that served as inspiration when building the multiple palaces, castles, and military fortresses.... How did FORMER SLAVES that never been to Africa - know about EGYPT back in the early 1800s?
Obviously oral traditions passed down from before slavery.
Generally acknowledged by many to be the Caribbean equivalent to the Palace of Versailles in France.
Proud of its magnificence, the Palace of Sans-Souci was an important step in Henri Christophe's plan to demonstrate to foreigners - particularly Europeans and Americans - the power and capability of the black race. The African pride in the construction of the king's palace was captured by the comment of his advisor and architect, Pompée Valentin Vastey (Baron Valentin de Vastey), who said that the palace and its nearby church, "erected by descendants of Africans, show that we have not lost the architectural taste and genius of our ancestors who covered Ethiopia, Egypt, Carthage, and old Spain with their superb monuments."[7]
The Palace of Sans-Souci (French: Palais Sans Souci) was the principal royal residence of Henry I, king of Haiti, better known as Henri Christophe. It is located in the town of Milot, approximately 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) northeast of the Citadelle Laferrière, and 13 kilometres (8.1 mi) southwest of the Three Bays Protected Area.
Even in Haiti - King Henri Chrisophe and the former slaves spoke about their ancestors from Egypt that served as inspiration when building the multiple palaces, castles, and military fortresses.... How did FORMER SLAVES that never been to Africa - know about EGYPT back in the early 1800s?
Obviously oral traditions passed down from before slavery.
Generally acknowledged by many to be the Caribbean equivalent to the Palace of Versailles in France.
Proud of its magnificence, the Palace of Sans-Souci was an important step in Henri Christophe's plan to demonstrate to foreigners - particularly Europeans and Americans - the power and capability of the black race. The African pride in the construction of the king's palace was captured by the comment of his advisor and architect, Pompée Valentin Vastey (Baron Valentin de Vastey), who said that the palace and its nearby church, "erected by descendants of Africans, show that we have not lost the architectural taste and genius of our ancestors who covered Ethiopia, Egypt, Carthage, and old Spain with their superb monuments."[7]
The Palace of Sans-Souci (French: Palais Sans Souci) was the principal royal residence of Henry I, king of Haiti, better known as Henri Christophe. It is located in the town of Milot, approximately 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) northeast of the Citadelle Laferrière, and 13 kilometres (8.1 mi) southwest of the Three Bays Protected Area.
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You sound ridiculous! E1b1a is characteristic of the Niger-Congo speaking peoples of Africa not Cushytc or Nilo Saharan speaking Africans in the East. Why on Earth would a person found to be E1b1a therefore be more related to people who do not carry it? Why do you list countries as though they are monolithic populations? There is just so foolishness in your statements from jump. You just sit down for a little bit, and study up.
Why do you assume that the modern inhabitants of Egypt are the descendants of the ancient inhabitants given the context of numerous invasions on that land?
Afro-Asatic has NEVER been reconstructed to a common ancestors....which means.....it's a made up grouping. This is what many African centered linguist including theophile Obenga has proven. You sound more a like Cac then an African. You are parroting CLASSIC white supremacist history points, under the guise of an "African". Y'all gotta watch these accounts man.
lol
just to put it out there, West Africans are not related to Ancient Egytians. There's I said it.
most West Africans do not care about egytian culture nor do they claim it. We have our own history. If new world black folks want to be from Egypt, be my guest.
But you don't know anythings, so who cares what you think lol.
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/nil...izations-ancient-race-relations.777687/page-4
TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestryWhere do most West African tribes claim they came from before they settled in West Africa according to both oral traditions and written scribal history in the 80 or so libraries in Timbuktu? As well as what's recorded in post Middle ages West African manuscripts like Tarikh Al-Sudan and Tarikh Al-Fattash? Why is the oldest clade of Supposed "West African DNA" markers found in the Levant/West Asia and not West/Central Africa?
Ramses III carried a paternal DNA marker that 80% of "ADOS" males carry. So how you figure our particular line has NOTHING to do with Egyptian history in antiquity? Although Ramses III father Setnakthe was likely an Asiatic who had no proven genealogical link with any previous Egyptian dynasty...but that's a whole nother discussion.
But to say we have NO geneaological links with Egypt in antiquity?
DNA says that's wholly incorrect.
Genetic analysis reveals a close relationship with Middle Easterners, not central Africans.
Excavations in the ancient city of Abusir el-Meleq. Credit: Petr Bonek/Alamy
The tombs of ancient Egypt have yielded golden collars and ivory bracelets, but another treasure — human DNA — has proved elusive. Now, scientists have captured sweeping genomic information from Egyptian mummies. It reveals that mummies were closely related to ancient Middle Easterners, hinting that northern Africans might have different genetic roots from people south of the Sahara desert.
The study, published on 30 May in Nature Communications1, includes data from 90 mummies buried between 1380 BC, during Egypt’s New Kingdom, and AD 425, in the Roman era. The findings show that the mummies’ closest kin were ancient farmers from a region that includes present-day Israel and Jordan. Modern Egyptians, by contrast, have inherited more of their DNA from central Africans.
Archaeological discoveries and historical documents suggest close ties between Egypt and the Middle East, but “it is very nice that this study has now provided empirical evidence for this at the genetic level”, says evolutionary anthropologist Omer Gokcumen of the State University of New York at Buffalo.
Egypt’s searing climate and the ancient practice of embalming bodies has made the recovery of intact genetic material daunting. The first DNA sequences thought to be from a mummy2 were probably the result of modern contamination, and many scientists are sceptical3 of purported genetic information acquired from the mummy of King Tutankhamun4.
The latest analysis succeeded by bypassing soft tissue — often abundant in Egyptian mummies — to seek DNA from bone and teeth. Researchers carefully screened the DNA to rule out contamination from anyone who had handled the mummies since their excavation a century ago in the ancient town of Abusir el-Meleq.
“More than half of the mummies we studied had pretty decent DNA preservation,” says co-author Johannes Krause, a palaeogeneticist at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany.
The team “succeeds where previous studies on Egyptian mummies have failed or fallen short”, says Hannes Schroeder, a palaeogeneticist at the University of Copenhagen. Now, researchers can hope to answer questions such as whether immigration drove ancient-Egyptian population growth, adds Sonia Zakrzewski, a bioarchaeologist at the University of Southampton, UK.
The scientists obtained information about variations in mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mother to child, from 90 mummies. Because of contamination, the team was able to acquire detailed nuclear DNA, which is inherited from both parents, from only three mummies.
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The researchers say that there was probably a pulse of sub-Saharan African DNA into Egypt roughly 700 years ago. The mixing of ancient Egyptians and Africans from further south means that modern Egyptians can trace 8% more of their ancestry to sub-Saharan Africans than can the mummies from Abusir el-Meleq.
The new data can’t explain why the ancient Egyptians were so tightly aligned with people from the Middle East. Was it the result of migration, or were the Stone Age hunter-gatherers of northern Africa genetically similar to those of the Levant? It’s too early to tell, Krause says, but there’s a better chance now of getting answers. “This is the first glimpse of the genetic history of Egypt,” he says. “But it’s really just the start.”
TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
Why?
you should care. since it's you who's trying to connect the west african population to ancient egypt, when most west africans don't care
I've been in almost all the AE threads. That page you linked me do just isn't cutting it. it's not enough evidence to connect the two.
