Bleacher Report's Top 100 NBA Players of All-Time
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You mean the superteam where Kobe had to deal with his teams VP nixing a deal with Phil Jackson in the middle of the night so he could sign MDA?? A year after the CP3 trade for nixed for no legitimate reason/.
Yeah, im sure Bron had to deal with all of that
You nikkas never really followed any of this shyt in real time.
Boohoo
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Patrick was good enough. The problem was that the Knicks surrounded him with Charles Oakley, Charles Smith, and John Starks until he was washed up. Drexler just wasn’t good enough to be the #1 guy on a champion and Malone was maybe the biggest choker ever. So was Stockton. That Jazz team didn’t have a winning record in any round of the playoffs during the 18 years they were teammates. 9 first round exits including 5 to a lower seed. None of these teams could find the 2nd scorer needed to win it all. Portland had no center, no bench, lousy shooters, and Terry Porter was probably their 2nd best player. Phoenix just wasn’t good enough on defense during the 1993 playoffs and their defense fell off a cliff the next 2 seasons.MJ was legendary no question but on some real shyt he beat up on tomato cans
Once Larry, Magic and Isiah got old the players that were left weren't nowhere near his level and he destroyed them
Barkley was a beast but he didn't have those intangibles
Ewing, Drexler and Malone just weren't good enough
Shaq and Penny sent him home in 95 but MJ came back with a vengeance in 96
MJ retired in 93 so we never got the Bulls Rockets Finals
Orlando would’ve had next but everyone except Shaq & Penny got hurt during the 1996 playoffs and then they were dumb enough to repeatedly lowball Shaq in free agency so he took the lakers money instead. By 1996 active players, broadcasters, and executives were publicly admitting how diluted the league had gotten from expansion. Too many new teams added in short order made it crazy tough for anyone else to really build a team capable of hanging with Chicago. It was the oldest, slowest, and lowest scoring decade in league history. Those Magic were really the only team that landed a legit #1 and #2 but they only had 3 years where they were teammates with 2 healthy postseasons.
Kinda reminds me of the thunder stupidly trading Har_en after the 2012 finals when they had all the right guys but just needed a little more experience. 1-2 more years probably would’ve been enough before they broke through. Then there’s no rockets vs thunder 1st round matchup where Russ injures his knee and maybe the thunder get back to the finals against Miami in 2013. They’d have definitely gotten at least 1 by 2016.
Once Shaq left for LA the bulls were basically able to win the east by default. Every playoff series they had in the east those last 2 years they had both of the 2 best players in the series. This along with the suns and rockets players all getting old quick while the lakers supporting cast around Shaq not being ready for the moment yet and Seattle imploding like all George Karl coached teams did left Utah almost in the finals by default too.
Sabonis is the real “what if” here. He would’ve solved every major weakness the trailblazers had back then and only they had the rights to him. They probably take 2-4 titles during their run if he gets to join the team in the mid 80’s before tearing both Achilles tendons. All accounts suggest he was basically a precursor to Jokic so he’d have rapidly sped up the evolution of the game and maybe how the league would embrace international players. Bill Walton is probably the only other what if related to injury that compares. Hard to imagine the bulls taking 6 titles in 8 years when the blazers were as close to the top as they were without him.
Sabonis arriving in the 80’s also likely means no Drexler to Houston trade so Orlando probably wins it all in 1995 and Shaq probably gets paid well to stay in central Florida. That means no 3 peat with Phil and Kobe so no beef with Kobe and no trade to Miami so no now it’s possible Wade leaves Miami in the summer of 2010 if Riley hadn’t pulled of some other big move to get a top guy.
Bias probably extends the Celtics window by 2-3 years if he was what they hoped he’d have been. That’s a major if though on account of him not even living to training camp.
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Expansion or tanking?
What form of losing has more merit?
What form of losing has more merit?
Boohoo
Exactly, no real response
MDA also benched Pau that season which completely fukked his mental state up and Kobe was not in favor of that.You fakkits arent interested in discussing what actually happened or the context during any of this shyt. You fakkits cry about Rob Penlinka doing one thing your idol didn't ask for when Kobe dealt with a whole dumbass as his VP nixing trades PLUS the NBA nixing a trade. But that's just "boo hoo" when your idol got everything he wanted, when he wanted, with players in their prime, and still can't win as much as Kobe.
Oh yeah, the team despite all of that still had the best record in the league in the 2nd half of that season, and probably would've beat the Spurs if Kobe didn't get hurt.
Yall aren't interested in what really happened or what the actual pros say. But hey, y'all will always have the cacs from Wyoming who write these articles and the racist cacs on twitter to rally around
Pau's mental state was fukked upExactly, no real response
You fakkits arent interested in discussing what actually happened or the context during any of this shyt. You fakkits cry about Rob Penlinka doing one thing your idol didn't ask for when Kobe dealt with a whole dumbass as his VP nixing trades PLUS the NBA nixing a trade. But that's just "boo hoo" when your idol got everything he wanted, when he wanted, with players in their prime, and still can't win as much as Kobe.
Oh yeah, the team despite all of that still had the best record in the league in the 2nd half of that season, and probably would've beat the Spurs if Kobe didn't get hurt.
Yall aren't interested in what really happened or what the actual pros say. But hey, y'all will always have the cacs from Wyoming who write these articles and the racist cacs on twitter to rally around
Oh yeah, I forgot Kobe couldn't win shyt without Phil. God forbid he's coached by MDA, one of the best offensive coaches in NBA history who achieved tremendous success with Nash and Harden. Kobe needs his Phil
You're right, Kobe never got what he wanted.
- I mean he did force his way to LA before he even played a single game because he refused to play in a small market
- he also got to start the first decade of his career with the best player in the NBA and best coach of all time, allowing him to accrue a bunch of sidekick rings (15 PPG on 36 FG% in the 2000 finals
) - then he got the franchise to trade said best player when he started a beef with him
- oh yeah he also tried to force his way out of LA but luckily the Lakers were gifted Pau for peanuts in an era where he was clearly the best or second best #2 option in the league
- and then the Lakers traded Bynum (who never had another productive season in the NBA) for Dwight (who was fresh off an all-NBA appearance)
And yes they had the best record in the second half of the season
Yes, It is true they were 25-22 in games their three best players played together and yes, Dwight and Kobe both played the entire season only for the team to end up as the 7th seed.
But if only they got to play the Spurs healthy
And LWO literally harbors a racist zionist on this very site
Kobe's fanbase mostly consists of racist mexicacs and MAGA crackers that hate the NBA. But nah that one cac twitter account that almost exclusively posts about Jordan, Bron and Brady is too far 
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Why wouldnt they? You in every thread whining about the topicAnd got the nerve to quote you and be like "LOL you're so obsessed with Bron and Kobe"
Bron played in a "give me the ball with 4 shooters and get out the way" system his whole career. That doesn't make him more dynamic. It's like thinking Jokic is more dynamic than Wilt Chamberlain because he gets to play point center while Wilt only did for one season. People like you think you actually understand the game simply because you can read stats.. No understanding of nuance and comparing what people were capable of doing verse what they were put in position to do...Jordan was a chuck in a dogshyt era
You can't call someone that is a 50% and 83% from the field a chucker in defense of a wing player that shoots 37% when he's outside of 3 feet. I'd also expect. a stat reader to include how many more 3s Bron shot over MJ so he'd get the fuller picture of why it took less attempts.
But they saved him? He outplayed both Steph and Kobe in both of those Olympic tournaments
Yea they saved him because they were the ones closing the close games stat watcher.
You stay quoting me with some dumb shytWhy wouldnt they? You in every thread whining about the topic
Bron played in a "give me the ball with 4 shooters and get out the way" system his whole career. That doesn't make him more dynamic. It's like thinking Jokic is more dynamic than Wilt Chamberlain because he gets to play point center while Wilt only did for one season. People like you think you actually understand the game simply because you can read stats.. No understanding of nuance and comparing what people were capable of doing verse what they were put in position to do...
You can't call someone that is a 50% and 83% from the field a chucker in defense of a wing player that shoots 37% when he's outside of 3 feet. I'd also expect. a stat reader to include how many more 3s Bron shot over MJ so he'd get the fuller picture of why it took less attempts.
Yea they saved him because they were the ones closing the close games stat watcher.
Dummy, Bron entered the league in 2003, arguably the worst offensive environment in the modern era. He won his first MVP before Steph was even drafted. The three point revolution didn't even happen until he was well into his 30s. Meanwhile, Jordan entered the league in the 1980s, an era with more possessions per game and a faster pace. His prime was in the era that was most conducive to his ISO style of play, so much so that he was bytching at the prospect of the NBA going away with illegal defense rules and allowing zone defenses
Kobe took 20 more shots than Bron and still scored two less FGs. But yes, the last two minutes of the one game matter more than the entirety of the 8 game tournament
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Duncan's career needs to be put under the microscope
Duncan's career needs to be put under the microscope
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
You stay quoting me with some dumb shyt
Dummy, Bron entered the league in 2003, arguably the worst offensive environment in the modern era.
MJ shot less than 100 3s in 9/15 seasons. Lebron NEVER shot under 100 3s, and by his second season had already attempted more 3s in one season than any MJ season. In other words, it took less FG attempts is because he shot more 3s.
MJ: 1700 3pt attempts
Lebron- 7000 3pt attempts
Of course you'll deflect instead of admitting it
Kobe took 20 more shots than Bron and still scored two less FGs. But yes, the last two minutes of the one game matter more than the entirety of the 8 game tournament
Yea when a person shoots 37% when he's outside of 3 feet that's what I'd expectt. Oh and add in that 40% of that same players fgs are dunks and layups, mostly in an era with only 1 big man in the paint and the 4 other players outside the 3 point line.. Again, you can only stat watch. You don't have a nuanced understanding of basketball which shows by how you overly big up Bron....
And yea Bron shines early in the game or when the games already out of reach. But when the game gets tight? That's where Kobe/Wade/Curry/KD came in. Just like in game 7 of the finals,with everything up for grabs, he was standing in the corner watching Kyrie cook the back to back MVP for the game winning shot.
Ozymandeas
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🏗 Criteria Summary:
Heavy weight on:
– Championship wins, especially with Finals MVPs
– MVPs, All-NBA, All-Defensive Teams
– Advanced stats (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, Game Score)
– Efficiency (FG%, eFG%, TS%)
– Playoff performance against elite (50+ win) teams
– Feats & records (e.g. scoring titles, triple-doubles, historic runs)
I asked ChatGPT to base it on the following, and they still put Kobe at #10
Personally I'd put Bird at #7, Kobe at #8, Steph at #9 and Hakeem at #10. God bless the dead but, it said 
to Bill Russell and Wilt.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
🏗 Criteria Summary:
Heavy weight on:
– Championship wins, especially with Finals MVPs
– MVPs, All-NBA, All-Defensive Teams
– Advanced stats (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, Game Score)
– Efficiency (FG%, eFG%, TS%)
– Playoff performance against elite (50+ win) teams
– Feats & records (e.g. scoring titles, triple-doubles, historic runs)
I asked ChatGPT to base it on the following, and they still put Kobe at #10
What a surprise. More stat watching
Basketball is nuanced so it takes combing accolades PLUS the eye test. Combine both both and you can't say Curry is better than Bryant and Bird. Combine both and you can't say Shaq was better than Hakeem either.
🏗 Criteria Summary:
Heavy weight on:
– Championship wins, especially with Finals MVPs
– MVPs, All-NBA, All-Defensive Teams
– Advanced stats (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, Game Score)
– Efficiency (FG%, eFG%, TS%)
– Playoff performance against elite (50+ win) teams
– Feats & records (e.g. scoring titles, triple-doubles, historic runs)
I asked ChatGPT to base it on the following, and they still put Kobe at #10
Heavy weight on FMVP, All Defense, DPOY is why Russell and Wilt wasn't named. Those awards ain't exist in 60s and Russell never played in the 70s. I mean shyt FMVP is named after Russell now the Bill Russell Finals MVP he would had at least 6 of em shyts probably more. He would had mad DPOY and All Defense too. Same wit Wilt would had a lot more awards if they existed in 60s. He still got that FMVP his 2nd last season but he wasn't even in his prime no more.
Ozymandeas
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What a surprise. More stat watching
Basketball is nuanced so it takes combing accolades PLUS the eye test. Combine both both and you can't say Curry is better than Bryant and Bird. Combine both and you can't say Shaq was better than Hakeem either.
Stat watching?
I didn't do it. Chat GPT did it. I was bored and wanted to see if Bleacher Report was being biased.If it was me, Kobe would be #1
