Bob Cousy responds to role player JJ Reddikk trashing 1950s NBA players

concise

Veteran
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
37,958
Reputation
3,283
Daps
90,868
That's not true. Baseball and football were huge sports that played more than enough to live on in the 1950s. Basketball was a brand new fringe sport that wasn't nearly as popular.


Man, even Jim Brown was still working offseason jobs in the 60s ... the money was good but still not at the levels it became once free agency and national TV contracts changed things in every sport.
 

GreatestLaker

#FirePelinka
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
21,523
Reputation
1,005
Daps
42,567
Coli dudes in here acting upset are the same nikkas who shyt on the forefathers whenever they can. How many times have you nikkas used the same "plumbers and firemen" argument?

I'm one of the few basketball posters who routinely credits the old heads. Cousy is one of the GOATs, he won a league MVP and a title as the team's best player, he shyts on alota yall favorites and he'd be great in any era...
Lmaooooooooo @ this clown shyt. Cousey and 99% of the players back then wouldn't make the league today. Even with modern training. The talent pool simply wasn't as deep as it is today. Those players potentially weren't even the best at the time. I'm sure it potentially had players in Africa, Europe that would have blown those players away. But they never even had access to a basketball.
 

murksiderock

Superstar
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
13,674
Reputation
5,737
Daps
42,756
Reppin
SMF and LAX to VA and NC
Lmaooooooooo @ this clown shyt. Cousey and 99% of the players back then wouldn't make the league today. Even with modern training. The talent pool simply wasn't as deep as it is today. Those players potentially weren't even the best at the time. I'm sure it potentially had players in Africa, Europe that would have blown those players away. But they never even had access to a basketball.

The only way to compare across eras is by weighing what guys were in their time. Cousy was the point guard of his day, a legitimate superstar akin ti what Steph and Paul are today. Thats the only thing that matters...

He won an MVP and a title as a team's best player in his time. If Cousy played today he wouldn't look like 1957 Cousy so it's rather ignorant to dismiss the role modern training would have had in his development. He'd be a star regardless...
 

DropTopDoc

20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
Joined
Sep 9, 2012
Messages
35,315
Reputation
5,510
Daps
73,838
Reppin
South Side Chicago to Nola
Cousy won an MVP and six rings

What did a role player like Reddikk do to have the right to diss him?

You don't see guys in baseball dissing Willie Mays or guys in football dissing Jim Brown for their competition
Cousy being on the Celtics got him the chip not he brought it to them like bill did, let’s not become disingenuous
That whole plumbers and fireman shyt don't even make sense to me and never has. Of course guys were working other jobs cause bball aint pay enough.
His ass would be working at at subway in the offseason if not for the folks before him who made that money possible.
shyt is just stupid and 100 pure disrespect and hateration.

Skill wise bob will never be what JJ was, but for his time he was straight, but if we keeping it a buck, bob probably didn’t like black folk so fukk em
 

Professor Emeritus

Veteran
Poster of the Year
Supporter
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
49,529
Reputation
19,103
Daps
197,141
Reppin
the ether
The only way to compare across eras is by weighing what guys were in their time. Cousy was the point guard of his day, a legitimate superstar akin ti what Steph and Paul are today. Thats the only thing that matters...

He won an MVP and a title as a team's best player in his time. If Cousy played today he wouldn't look like 1957 Cousy so it's rather ignorant to dismiss the role modern training would have had in his development. He'd be a star regardless...

He was absolutely nothing like Steph is today. He was good in a fringe sport, that doesn't make you a "superstar" any more than, say, the best lacrosse player is an American "superstar" today. Sure he might be the best in his sport, but if there was real competition it would look different.

Hell, when he starting playing the NBA was only in its 5th year, and he struggled to even get onto a roster:

* Refused to report to his first team because he was trying to start a driving school. He demanded $10k to play and they only offered him $6k.
* Didn't get to play for his second team because they folded before he even joined
* Eventually made it to a third team, which didn't even want him, and got a $9k salary

"The Tri-Cities Blackhawks drafted Cousy, but the point guard was unenthusiastic about his new employer. Cousy was trying to establish a driving school in Worcester, Massachusetts and did not want to relocate to the Midwestern triangle of the three small towns of Moline, Rock Island and Davenport. As compensation for having to give up his driving school, Cousy demanded a salary of $10,000 from Blackhawks owner Ben Kerner. When Kerner offered him only $6,000, Cousy refused to report. Cousy was then picked up by the Chicago Stags, but when they folded, league Commissioner Maurice Podoloff declared three Stags available for a dispersal draft: team scoring leader Max Zaslofsky, Andy Phillip and Cousy. Celtics owner Walter A. Brown was one of the three club bosses invited. He later made it clear that he was hoping for Zaslofsky, would have tolerated Phillip, and did not want Cousy. When the Celtics drew Cousy, Brown confessed: "I could have fallen to the floor." Brown reluctantly gave him a $9,000 salary."

That's the sort of Mickey Mouse league the NBA was in the 1950s. NBA salary cap for a team was $55k, which was about half what Joe DiMaggio was making all by himself.

Cousy's salary eventually peaked at $26k in 1959-60 (by comparison, the average public schoolteacher salary was $5k, similar to what Cousy was first offered as a rookie). Compared that to Mickey Mantle, who made $70k that year and $100k a couple years later. Or Willie Mays, who made $80k that year and eventually $165k. Basketball just wasn't as big a sport and the "stars" weren't as big of stars. If basketball had been more popular in the 1940s and 1950s, and if black folk had gotten fair opportunity to play, and if some of the athletic talent in football, boxing, and baseball had gone to basketball instead, Cousy never would have won any MVP or been considered the top point guard of his era.
 
Last edited:

murksiderock

Superstar
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
13,674
Reputation
5,737
Daps
42,756
Reppin
SMF and LAX to VA and NC
Cousy being on the Celtics got him the chip not he brought it to them like bill did, let’s not become disingenuous


Skill wise bob will never be what JJ was, but for his time he was straight, but if we keeping it a buck, bob probably didn’t like black folk so fukk em

Cousy was the first Celtic superstar, a guy who dazzled viewers with his ballhandling, passing, and gamesmanship. In the first 4 years of the C's existence they had one playoff appearance and a .377 win percentage (equal to 30.9 wins/year on an 82 game schedule)...

1950 brought the arrival of both Cousy and Auerbach, but for some reason muhfukkas don't view them as a duo the same way they look at Duncan and Popovich, or Phil and Mike. The combination of those two immediately transformed the C's from an annual loser to annual playoff berths...

Boston won their first championship in '57, Russell's rookie season. Cousy was their best player, longest tenured player, and the emotional heart of the team. A clear superstar lauded by peers and fans and coaches...

Russell was such a generational talent he raised the ceiling even higher following that first title run, but the Celtics became what they were on the shoulders of Cousy more than any other individual player. Nobody carries a league MVP to anything, it didn't happen then and it doesn't happen now, and incidentally that's what he was in '57...

Even today at 52 years since his final retirement, he's STILL one of the 40 greatest players ever and one of the 10 greatest points ever. Cats really be shytting on him for no reason....
 

murksiderock

Superstar
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
13,674
Reputation
5,737
Daps
42,756
Reppin
SMF and LAX to VA and NC
He was absolutely nothing like Steph is today. He was good in a fringe sport, that doesn't make you a "superstar" any more than, say, the best lacrosse player is an American "superstar" today. Sure he might be the best in his sport, but if there was real competition it would look different.

Hell, when he starting playing the NBA was only in its 5th year, and he struggled to even get onto a roster:

* Refused to report to his first team because he was trying to start a driving school. He demanded $10k to play and they only offered him $6k.
* Didn't get to play for his second team because they folded before he even joined
* Eventually made it to a third team, which didn't even want him, and got a $9k salary

"The Tri-Cities Blackhawks drafted Cousy, but the point guard was unenthusiastic about his new employer. Cousy was trying to establish a driving school in Worcester, Massachusetts and did not want to relocate to the Midwestern triangle of the three small towns of Moline, Rock Island and Davenport. As compensation for having to give up his driving school, Cousy demanded a salary of $10,000 from Blackhawks owner Ben Kerner. When Kerner offered him only $6,000, Cousy refused to report. Cousy was then picked up by the Chicago Stags, but when they folded, league Commissioner Maurice Podoloff declared three Stags available for a dispersal draft: team scoring leader Max Zaslofsky, Andy Phillip and Cousy. Celtics owner Walter A. Brown was one of the three club bosses invited. He later made it clear that he was hoping for Zaslofsky, would have tolerated Phillip, and did not want Cousy. When the Celtics drew Cousy, Brown confessed: "I could have fallen to the floor." Brown reluctantly gave him a $9,000 salary."

That's the sort of Mickey Mouse league the NBA was in the 1950s. NBA salary cap for a team was $55k, which was about half what Joe DiMaggio was making all by himself.

Cousy's salary eventually peaked at $26k in 1959-60 (by comparison, the average public schoolteacher salary was $5k, similar to what Cousy was first offered as a rookie). Compared that to Mickey Mantle, who made $70k that year and $100k a couple years later. Or Willie Mays, who made $80k that year and eventually $165k. Basketball just wasn't as big a sport and the "stars" weren't as big of stars. If basketball had been more popular in the 1940s and 1950s, and if black folk had gotten fair opportunity to play, and if some of the athletic talent in football, boxing, and baseball had gone to basketball instead, Cousy never would have won any MVP or been considered the top point guard of his era.

None of this actually talks about his game and his impact on winning and growing the popularity of the sport. He was the first player to add flair to passing and dribbling, regardless of how archaic it looks today, it was jaw dropping and must-see in the 50s...

So yes, he was akin to what Curry is today....

Somebody like Nash was basically evolutionary Cousy, and Nash was still producing at an elite level not long ago. With all of the benefits of being born later and the added nutrition and training regimens there shouldn't be any doubt he could play in today's league...
 

DropTopDoc

20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
Joined
Sep 9, 2012
Messages
35,315
Reputation
5,510
Daps
73,838
Reppin
South Side Chicago to Nola
Cousy was the first Celtic superstar, a guy who dazzled viewers with his ballhandling, passing, and gamesmanship. In the first 4 years of the C's existence they had one playoff appearance and a .377 win percentage (equal to 30.9 wins/year on an 82 game schedule)...

1950 brought the arrival of both Cousy and Auerbach, but for some reason muhfukkas don't view them as a duo the same way they look at Duncan and Popovich, or Phil and Mike. The combination of those two immediately transformed the C's from an annual loser to annual playoff berths...

Boston won their first championship in '57, Russell's rookie season. Cousy was their best player, longest tenured player, and the emotional heart of the team. A clear superstar lauded by peers and fans and coaches...

Russell was such a generational talent he raised the ceiling even higher following that first title run, but the Celtics became what they were on the shoulders of Cousy more than any other individual player. Nobody carries a league MVP to anything, it didn't happen then and it doesn't happen now, and incidentally that's what he was in '57...

Even today at 52 years since his final retirement, he's STILL one of the 40 greatest players ever and one of the 10 greatest points ever. Cats really be shytting on him for no reason....
I hear all that fam and not for nothing i know he had some skills, but bussin a bunch of stiff ass white boys up, is one thing, but again bill was the one
 
Top