Bomani Jones (ESPN) Calls Drake Phony

[J J]

I keep tellin' my people, Drake is one of the greatest actors of a generation. It's not even shade, but in the past 3 years he's been so many people I'm not sure who he actually is.

THE TRUTH

 

[steadyrighteous]

U could say this about any rapper... U nikkaz suffer from selective outrage.

Because of Drake we get free mix tape albums as a standard now and he has also used his fame to help artists he likes blow up. Sounds like a horrible person right?

Like I said in my post, there's no shade. I listen to Drake, he's a pretty damn good rapper when he's on his game.

I also understand human beings can be different people in different situations and can be multifaceted, but Drake seems like a superhero who's not quite sure of his own origin story so there's multiple versions of it.

Again, I like Drake, he's just all over the map.

 

[Dan Julio]

Hold up, hold up, hold up. Where's the outrage for guys like ASAP Rocky soundin like they from Houston but he is from Harlem? This selective outrage for Drake is annoying. Get off his dikk

 

[OG Talk]

First of all there is no "outrage"... I've seen that word used several times by offended Drake fanatics in this thread.. If what you saw from Bomani in that clip or the majority of the observations in here as "outrage" then I don't know what to tell you..

The second buzz words that being used in here is "hate" or even "blind hate"

The hardcore Drake fanbase (I'm being serious here not gonna mock them by saying 'Stans') is showing characteristics that I have previously only witnessed from the Jay-Z base..Where any observation or critique is dismissed as hate just off of GP..

As Bomani and numerous people in here have stated.. Drake is talented (love), he makes some good music (love), he's successful and has a huge movement (love)..

Now if on top of all these proclaimations, additional points are added about his voice, upbringing or the way he carries himself in certain settings are brought up, then you gotta be mature enough to handle that..If your first reaction is to say "HATER!!!" then imo you're reacting like a female..

I'm not talking about the people that just have vitriol towards him.. But since when is just "liking" a certain artist not enough? Why do they have to be embraced with unconditional adoration?

Again this is something I really noticed about Drake and Jay-Z fans.. And ironically...They are the two artists that are in need of the tactics the least...

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Now if on top of all these proclaimations, additional points are added about his voice, upbringing or the way he carries himself in certain settings are brought up, then you gotta be mature enough to handle that..If your first reaction is to say "HATER!!!" then imo you're reacting like a female..

I'm not talking about the people that just have vitriol towards him.. But since when is just "liking" a certain artist not enough? Why do they have to be embraced with unconditional adoration?

What if the critiques themselves are no where near mature and reduce the entire tone and premise of conversation to a silly juvenile level though? There's an ACTUAL mature way to discuss racial identity and the dynamics of a bi-racial suburban kid becoming a rap star (which is basically all that this comes down to), but it doesn't begin with "yeah they had to lock him in a strip club in the ghetto for a year to teach him how to mistreat hoes like a real nikka" on ESPN with a bunch of white dudes that already don't begin to understand the nuances of black identity ... Just from following Bomani over the years, i know he's somebody that's actually smart enough and mature enough (if he so chose) to have that conversation without having dip to sub-Rob Parker "cornball brother" RG3 terrority..it's not like this is exactly high-minded poignant commentary here by bomani, it's low-ball surface level pot shots at a rapper he doesn't like but presented as if it's "serious discussion"...which is fine, rappers get clowned all the time...but if we're supposed to be seriously considering the merits of what he's saying here, it's hard to not call it what it is

 

[bl2k8]

Hold up, hold up, hold up. Where's the outrage for guys like ASAP Rocky soundin like they from Houston but he is from Harlem? This selective outrage for Drake is annoying. Get off his dikk

ASAP doesn't immitate a Houston accent and you know damn well ASAP takes hella shyt, especially from NY heads, for rapping over Houston sounding beats and using all there lingo and shyt

 

[Wacky D]

I didn't grow up in Will's REAL era, but I know numerous people who were teens in the 80's really throw recognition to Will. Of course everybody is going to remember him for "Getting Jiggy", but the folks from the era before that still remember his work.....

EXACTLY.

'posters just don't understand'.

why people disrespect Chris Webber because he got a scholarship to private school, he still from the hood, still lived in the hood, how was he being fake

I know right?

and since when is will smith a suburbanite? HES FROM WEST PHILLY!!!!! THE BIRTHPLACE OF 'GANGSTA RAP'!!!

 

[OG Talk]

What if the critiques themselves are no where near mature and reduce the entire tone and premise of conversation to a silly juvenile level though? There's an ACTUAL mature way to discuss racial identity and the dynamics of a bi-racial suburban kid becoming a rap star (which is basically all that this comes down to), but it doesn't begin with "yeah they had to lock in a strip club in the ghetto for a year to teach him how to mistreat hoes like a real nikka" on ESPN with a bunch of white dudes that already don't begin the understand the nuances of black identity ... Just from following Bomani over the years, i know he's somebody that's actually smart enough and mature enough (if he so chose) to have that conversation without having dip to sub-Rob Parker "cornball brother" RG3 terrority..it's not like this is exactly high-minded poignant commentary here by bomani, it's low-ball surface level pot shots at a rapper he doesn't like but presented as if it's "serious discussion"...which is fine, rappers get clowned all the time...but if we're supposed to be seriously considering the merits of what he's saying here, it's hard to not call it what it is

See this is the main problem here... You feel like Drake is getting clowned... Which isn't the perspective that I'm coming from at all (can't speak for Bomani).. When I call Drake a method actor it's not an insult...Like someone mentioned in here almost every rapper practices method acting...But just going off of the circumstances of who he is and where he comes from he has to put on a more convincing performance than almost anyone in the history of the culture...To his credit he's been able to do it WELL...

My point is to simply call this out isn't "blind hate"... It's more in line with being observant and objective...

Drake is facing much more than just the hurdle of "racial indentity" or being from the burbs..He's not the first successful bi-racial rapper that came from the upper middle class...We've seen this before and its never been an issue.. Currently J. Cole is an example of someone that fits that bill that might not face the scrutiny that Drake does..

But hip hop is an American artform that was created and cultivated by poor kids from the inner city..

Drake is not only bi-racial and affluent...But he's from Canada and was a former child television star..His first car was a vehicle that I know 40 year old men that have worked in factories all their life still aren't able to afford..

He's basically the antithesis of everything we've ever seen at the forefront of the culture...

If Miley Cyrus moves to Kingston and becomes the biggest dance hall star in Jamaica... It's reasonable for the people there to say "Damn she is good, but where in the fukk did THAT come from?" That's not immaturity...That's not hate...Thats objectivity...

 

[semicko82]

No.

yes hip hop was born out of the ruins of the Bronx. the beginning of the crack era and Reaganomics cutting certain gov't programs. it was the voice of the people who didn't have any power. I'm not knocking Drake when i made that statement, because he is very talented.

 

[CrimsonTider]

First of all there is no "outrage"... I've seen that word used several times by offended Drake fanatics in this thread.. If what you saw from Bomani in that clip or the majority of the observations in here as "outrage" then I don't know what to tell you..

The second buzz words that being used in here is "hate" or even "blind hate"

The hardcore Drake fanbase (I'm being serious here not gonna mock them by saying 'Stans') is showing characteristics that I have previously only witnessed from the Jay-Z base..Where any observation or critique is dismissed as hate just off of GP..

As Bomani and numerous people in here have stated.. Drake is talented (love), he makes some good music (love), he's successful and has a huge movement (love)..

Now if on top of all these proclaimations, additional points are added about his voice, upbringing or the way he carries himself in certain settings are brought up, then you gotta be mature enough to handle that..If your first reaction is to say "HATER!!!" then imo you're reacting like a female..

I'm not talking about the people that just have vitriol towards him.. But since when is just "liking" a certain artist not enough? Why do they have to be embraced with unconditional adoration?

Again this is something I really noticed about Drake and Jay-Z fans.. And ironically...They are the two artists that are in need of the tactics the least...

Never seen a post that was more wrong

 

[AnonymityX1000]

What is he portraying that he actually isn't?



Y'all are dumb as fukk

That " catching bodies line" was about out rapping nikkas

How you figure? He won't even mention another MC by name in a rap. And said he's not interested in battling.

 

[CrimsonTider]

How you figure? He won't even mention another MC by name in a rap. And said he's not interested in battling.

Because of the context of the verse

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

it's been 5 years already tho....

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Because of the context of the verse

It's really vague if it is about his lyrical prowess why is he talking about his boys going in with him and he doesn't have to say anything?

 

[Yayo Toure]

Bomani Jones is a loser. he knows I've smashed a couple girls he's tried to get at on twitter.