Andrew Read's paper never discusses T cell epitopes, so why should I be held to a higher standard?
Because you're Jumping into a scientific discussion and Andrew Read's paper is not the be all end all of Immunology. If you are going to talk about why a particular vaccine is leaky I'm going to need you talk about what parts of the immune system a particular pathogen is evading. It's not good enough to bring up a completely different virus with a completely different vaccine and draw conclusions from there.
The fact of the matter is we have people like Joe Biden who have been vaccinated and double boosted contracting and transmitting Covid. Thus by definition, it is a leaky vaccine. I refuse to argue this point further.
This is the reason i mentioned that vaccines work at a population level way earlier in the discussion. It was a point you actually agreed with me on as well.
If you are vaccinated against the measles you can still contract and spread the measles as well
if you are in a population that is not vaccinated/immune to Measles. Does that make the measles vaccine leaky?
And btw which particular covid vaccine is Leaky? There's quite a few of them out there and some of them have been shown to reduce
infectious viral loads (not all rna copies are actually infectious)
COVID-19: Vaccination greatly reduces infectious viral load, study finds
What do you think will happen if everyone is immunized and thus producing lower infectious viral loads throughout the community?
re: Fun Fact#1 : I already stated that one can make a strong argument against comparisons between the vaccine attributed virus mututations of Covid and Mareks.
I'm still waiting for this strong argument especially since they have different mechanisms for replication (ie RNA vs DNA copies)
He also makes the erroneous claim about Covid spreading primarily amongst the unvaccinated, by using hospital populations as proof. If the vaccines reduce severe disease and hospitalization, the vaccinated simply spread asymptomatically and without severe disease.
see the paper I linked above discussing infectious viral loads.
Given how Marek's disease works in vaccinated chickens, I consider Dr. Read's response, intellectually dishonest.
You're jumping to conclusions. different disease, different replication mechanics, different vaccines.
The fact that the Author of the paper that you referenced didn't make the same logical leap that you just did should be telling.
re: Fun Fact#2 : Covid mutated and became more virulent before a vaccine existed as well:
link
Do you know what virulence is? the case fatality rate didn't increase with Delta compared to the alpha variant.