BREAKING: Biden has the Ronies!!!! (COVID)

Kyle C. Barker

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Yes and no. The vaccine reduces the time one is likely to shed the virus, so on a community scale you are correct. On an interpersonal level, it make no difference as the people in your home and work life will still be in close contact with you within the shortened window contagion. What people fail to realize is due to the "Leaky" nature of the vaccine, if everyone were vaccinated we'd end up with a situation like Marek's disease in chickens. So it's only good to vaccinate the most vulnerable, not en masse.



Please tell me more about this "leaky" nature.
Perhaps you could link me to a source that was able to prove that the vaccines were leaky.

I expect to see a journal that proves that the t cell epitopes are different amongst the different variants
 

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All the best wishes to MR president. Regardless of political stripes, one shouldn't wish ill health or violence on ones political opponents , i felt the same way under trump presidency.
 

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Please!!! Just off the level of fukkery that would ensue!
 

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Please tell me more about this "leaky" nature.
Perhaps you could link me to a source that was able to prove that the vaccines were leaky.

I expect to see a journal that proves that the t cell epitopes are different amongst the different variants

The term "Leaky", commonly used regarding vaccines does not require anything regarding T Cell epitopes. Here is a study on the topic of virus mutations due to leaky vaccines: Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens
In the study they define a leaky vaccines as," Vaccines that let the hosts survive but do not prevent the spread of the pathogen...". By definition, the current covid vaccines qualify. Now one can make a strong argument that comparisons of Covid mass vaccinations and mass chicken vaccinations of Marek's disease, aren't congruent, but that's not what you disputed.
 
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The term "Leaky", commonly used regarding vaccines does not require anything regarding T Cell epitopes. Here is a study on the topic of virus mutations due to leaky vaccines: Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens
In the study they define a leaky vaccines as," Vaccines that let the hosts survive but do not prevent the spread of the pathogen...". By definition, the current covid vaccines qualify. Now one can make a strong argument that comparisons of Covid mass vaccinations and mass chicken vaccinations of Marek's disease, aren't congruent, but that's not what you disputed.


T cell epitopes absolutely do matter in this conversation since they are currently one of the main mechanisms that prevent replication. The live attenuated vaccines used in chickens against marek's disease are considered "permissive vaccines" and don't prevent replication. That is why I asked you to provide a paper that provided the proof that the newer variants were evading t cell epitopes.

Even if the current vaccines were permissive, that wouldn't be the end of the world since the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) is also a permissive vaccine. Basically it prevents the systemic spread of wild type polio but doesn't prevent the replication of the virus in the gut where it normally wants to replicate and shed.

Fun fact #1: the author of the paper you posted (Andrew Read) doesn't even agree that the covid vaccines are leaky



Fun Fact #2: the herpes virus that causes marek's disease is an example of a virus that became more virulent even before a vaccine existed for it.
 

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