BREAKING: Charlie Kirk shot dead by a sniper at event in Utah. Suspect caught, right wing weirdo

[Gloxina]

 

[bigde09]

To you @10bandz @c2daj @bigde09 @Won Won @Numero Deux and the rest of you saving face goofs, one thing the Charlie Kirk mess has revealed is how American White Christian Nationalism has spread globally. The amount of Nigerians back in Nigeria praying for an anti-black bigot is staggering and reflects the insidious work of Nigerian Pentecostalism. Most of them are tied to the apron of the White Nationalist agenda through the Evangelical movement here in the U.S. as funding for many Nigerian Pentecostal and African churches comes through their various grants.

There is something where these white nationalist evangelicals can go to places like Africa, the Pacific Islands and elsewhere to preach “the gospel.” And its the power that comes with hating gays and wanting women to assume the position that seems to bring them all together.

shyt is embarrassing.



The Minnesota shooter in this video who killed two congressmen in July is shown grifting in Congo exactly that earlier this year.



For all the grief we give the Black Church in the US, it’s the Black Liberation Theology of the Black American church that for the most part sees through their bullshyt.

Yall are too busy saving face for religiously complaint and brain dead Africans

Another clown ass post from you.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Another clown ass post from you.

Another save face post from you refusing to see how white Christian nationalism propaganda is negatively impacting Africa.

You don’t give a fukk

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Don't add your shyt to my words...... by virtue of everything you just said the piece of shyt didn't deserve to be stickied....... save that bullshyt huff and puff fur when you need it in real life

Thread not stickied to pay tribute breh

Why would we let the thread get buried when it's dominating discussion everywhere

And you talking about me when you wasted two replies to this thread when you could've just ignored the thread with one click

 

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[85 East]

They were 100% grooming him to be president. TPUSA was big on college campuses which is somewhere republicans have failed to capture over the past couple of decades.

It’s also why Israel was trying so hard to suppress the campus protests and inject money into his organization. They needed his influence badly due to the waning support they’ve been seeing from both sides of the political spectrum in this country. Israel has never had less support from US voters in the history of them existing up until now.

This is one of the only reasons why I don’t think this was a mossad job. He was 100% the guy that they wanted to groom and finance for a future political career. With him gone I’m not sure who else they have that would keep the evangelicals in line in a post-Trump America.

Those Netanyahu tweets right after the shooting really has me perplexed.

Stephen Miller took out his direct competition

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

In the investigation, the FBI said that there were PLANNING details discussed on Discord. (Planning, i.e. before the actual shooting)

Discord did a review and said there were not

The FBI had to backtrack.

So from the very start it looks like the FBI was trying to create a narrative.

Maybe someone misspoke, maybe this is about the nuance of language...

But your claim relies on your belief that the FBI, in this case, was competent in retrieving these messages.

I think you're misinterpreting how that discussion went down.

Patel never said that there were planning details discussed on Discord, he said they were investigating anyone and everyone involved in those Discord chats with Tyler to gather information. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the FBI made no mention that there were details discussed about the shooting before it took place.

The spokesperson who came out and said they had found "no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord", only originated because there was skepticism around whether or not there were plans when the Discord messages first leaked when he confessed. It was more a reply to the hysteria because folks believed he also posted his plans on there too.

It's not my belief the FBI was competent or not, you're the one who more or less believes the FBI wasn't competent in retrieving those messages despite having absolutely no evidence to suggest so. I'm none-the-wiser if they were or not, I just know the level of competency in retrieving those messages has no relevance to the ineptness they showed in their efforts of finding the actual suspect.

Which means because you have no evidence of this alleged incompetence that led to a 'parallel construction', it means your argument doesn't hold any weight.

Screenshots can be faked, just like the content of the message.

They already tried to create a false narrative and Discord stepped up.

Given how much flack media companies have gotten, and how much legislators were about to clamp down on Discord, it would make sense for them to stay quiet these so-called messages going forward.

Discord would file a lawsuit if they faked the screenshots, especially if they were used in prosecution.

Besides, if you see the screenshots, the large majority of them are, once again, not worthy of faking. He's talking about video games, he's talking about who he thinks would win the election, posting cat memes etc. Why would they go to the trouble of re-creating Discord screenshots of him posting cat memes?

The only screenshot that is relevant is his confession, and the nature of it is pretty mundane, in fact, it makes him come across as a well-adjusted person and not this crazed domestic terrorist that they tried to curate a narrative for. He reveals himself to be the shooter and then thanks the group for all the good times and laughs, says they've been amazing and that he's turning himself in.

Again, there's nothing in the Discord messages or the text messages that's even remotely worth faking. Those messages actually humanize him more than demonize.

Just like I can't really know the mind of Tyler, I can't really understand the mentality of Kash and Co.

Maybe they thought those details would make make it seem real.

So you admit your argument has no legs to stand on?

It doesn't matter whether or not you understand the mentality of the people involved who could've fabricated this. What matters is all those people would need to conspire together and risk not only blowing up this case, but potentially incriminating themselves, leading to all charges been thrown out and Tyler gets off. All their lives would be ruined. The MAGA cult would make damn sure of it. It would only take one fracture in that chain of people to expose it all.

Why would they risk the fall out over some made up messages that are of little-to-no consequence?

They spoke to his family.

You think it's realistic within a finite time of speaking to the family that they'd have even the slightest idea of to re-create how he spoke and acted, given the mental state he was in after just killing someone? The family would've barely had time to process and rationalize the fact he was capable of killing another human being, nevermind actually trying to then explain to the feds what his behavior was and how he would've sounded in wake of.

What makes even less sense if we follow your theory is, he made jokes about the shooting when he confessed to his roommate. Do you seriously believe the family would've said something like "yeah, I believe our son would've spoken in joking manner after killing that man", and not only that, but then the feds would have to take that to be true of his character and then come up with some jokes to add in.

Again, this point kinda goes nowhere.

You're argument is that they could have/should have written it better, but they didn't - thus real.

My argument is all the things needed to line up to where they created a dialogue, not knowing really anything about Tyler nor the roommate, in such a limited period of time, where there's personal/emotive language and attributes (like him joking about the shooting) is such an improbable scernario, and that's before we get into the fact they didn't add any radical-left propoganda.

The only person who knew of his mental state after the shooting is Tyler, himself. Nobody else could've known, therefore, nobody could've created an appropriate account of him.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, if it's your belief it's fabricated because the language doesn't sound real, then your suspicions should be directed towards Tyler planting it.

And I'm saying their incompetent, as evidenced by their view of digital evidence, and how they tried to capture him, and their taking credit for his father/family turning him in.

I've already disproven this point. There's nothing that suggests they were incompetent in retrieving the digital evidence. And as I mentioned above, their futile attempts at trying to capture him are irrelevant.

What are they risking?

They're risking incriminating themselves and/or ruining their lives.

He very well may be a well spoken boy that uses full sentences and does not use slang in his texts.

Which only makes his use of memes on the bullets that much weirder.

Weird is relative.

It's only weird because you have a predetermind idea of how you think he should sound despite not even knowing him. We don't know if it's out of character for him to use memes while also speaking in somewhat proper manner, because we don't know him. It could be exactly who he is. The online world is a vast place, with infinite subcultures that birth all different types of personalities, behaviors and actions.

The mistake that you and many others in this thread are making is that your idea of who he is isn't the same as who he really is.

 

[KingTut]

Stephen Miller took out his direct competition

Stephen Miller will never sniff the presidency. He’s easily more unlikeable than Vance at this point.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Stephen Miller will never sniff the presidency. He’s easily more unlikeable than Vance at this point.

Bruh is like the bad guy from the first Shrek movie but more obviously evil with less charisma

Lord Farquat

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

They were 100% grooming him to be president. TPUSA was big on college campuses which is somewhere republicans have failed to capture over the past couple of decades.

It’s also why Israel was trying so hard to suppress the campus protests and inject money into his organization. They needed his influence badly due to the waning support they’ve been seeing from both sides of the political spectrum in this country. Israel has never had less support from US voters in the history of them existing up until now.

This is one of the only reasons why I don’t think this was a mossad job. He was 100% the guy that they wanted to groom and finance for a future political career. With him gone I’m not sure who else they have that would keep the evangelicals in line in a post-Trump America.

Those Netanyahu tweets right after the shooting really has me perplexed.

Explains why they are treating this like the assassination of JFK and MLK

 

[Fillerguy]

This adds more credence to the FBI not making up that exchange -

Why waste time, resources and criminal implication of making up a conversation that reveals no political motive when you can just deem whatever you want to be a "terrorist organization"?

They don't need Tyler Robinson to reveal anything. Him doing the shooting is more than enough for them to make up the rules.

I would think making up the legal framework and taking the risk of fabricating terrorists are easier and less risker than fabricating a slam dunk confesssional in the age of AI.

But maybe I'm wrong.

 

[BK The Great]

What?

 

[10bandz]

Another clown ass post from you.

Dude is a pure fraud.

 

[WIA20XX]

I think you're misinterpreting how that discussion went down.

I'm not. The planning stuff was mentioned (and then buried) before Patel testified.

It's not my belief the FBI was competent or not, you're the one who more or less believes the FBI wasn't competent in retrieving those messages despite having absolutely no evidence to suggest so. I'm none-the-wiser if they were or not, I just know the level of competency in retrieving those messages has no relevance to the ineptness they showed in their efforts of finding the actual suspect.

That's where we have to break
The President hired someone that was not capable of running the FBI
That person fired a lot of people at the FBI
They were "inept" in finding the suspect
They were "inept" when it came to the press conferences
They did not understand the messages on the bullets

But all of that does not lead *you* to the idea that they were inept in retrieving the digital information.

You take them at their word, that these odd set of messages, with perfect English, with word choices that are oddly devoid of the "gamer-ism's" on the bullets.

And that's fine for you to make that choice.

To me, everything that leads up to these so-called recovered messages makes me skeptical.

Which means because you have no evidence of this alleged incompetence that led to a 'parallel construction', it means your argument doesn't hold any weight.

If you want to reject their bungling, that's fine.

Discord would file a lawsuit if they faked the screenshots, especially if they were used in prosecution.

LOL. That makes absolutely no sense in general, but especially with this administration.

Besides, if you see the screenshots, the large majority of them are, once again, not worthy of faking. He's talking about video games, he's talking about who he thinks would win the election, posting cat memes etc. Why would they go to the trouble of re-creating Discord screenshots of him posting cat memes?

To cover up their bumbling of a high profile case.

To which you've already made the argument that they could have really juiced these fake messages, with some anti-trump messages and left wing ideology.

We're basically at an impasse on this point.

The only screenshot that is relevant is his confession, and the nature of it is pretty mundane, in fact, it makes him come across as a well-adjusted person and not this crazed domestic terrorist that they tried to curate a narrative for. He reveals himself to be the shooter and then thanks the group for all the good times and laughs, says they've been amazing and that he's turning himself in.

Which is weird, given what we have on the bullets themselves, and what we all know about internet meme culture and people that participate in those things. Many of whom are here in this very discussion.

Instead, this lucid, well spoken, and thoughtful kid, etched Hell Diver jargon on to a bullet, shot Kirk, took his rifle with him off the roof, or not, deposited the rifle and asked his roomie/lover to "retrieve" it....

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but his previous words don't line up with his "words" in these alleged texts and Discord Messages. His alleged texts don't really match up with his actions either.

And maybe that's just because truth doesn't fit into a nice narrative box.

Again, there's nothing in the Discord messages or the text messages that's even remotely worth faking. Those messages actually humanize him more than demonize.

So you admit your argument has no legs to stand on?

You're the one saying that these messages are real, because if they were fake, they would have been written a better "right wing persecution" narrative.

And that's just not a reasonable conclusion.

Not entertaining any Mossad fantasies, I make the argument that the language doesn't line up because they bungled evidence collection.

Kash himself was mealy mouthing about "we lost the note" and "we recreated the note" during the Senate Hearing.

It doesn't matter whether or not you understand the mentality of the people involved who could've fabricated this. What matters is all those people would need to conspire together and risk not only blowing up this case, but potentially incriminating themselves, leading to all charges been thrown out and Tyler gets off. All their lives would be ruined. The MAGA cult would make damn sure of it. It would only take one fracture in that chain of people to expose it all.

These aren't simple government employees collecting a paycheck, and worried about doing a good job.

Who's going to charge them if they do poorly?
Trumps partisan DOJ?
Who would convict?
Whose lives would be ruined? (the only thing they fear is Trump)

Have we not been watching the Federal Justice system over the past 10 years?

Why would they risk the fall out over some made up messages that are of little-to-no consequence?

But those messages are the "confession" especially for a person that's apparently not cooperating.

You think it's realistic within a finite time of speaking to the family that they'd have even the slightest idea of to re-create how he spoke and acted, given the mental state he was in after just killing someone?

No, and that's why his text messages read like some 50 year old LEO wrote them.

The family would've barely had time to process and rationalize the fact he was capable of killing another human being, nevermind actually trying to then explain to the feds what his behavior was and how he would've sounded in wake of.

What makes even less sense if we follow your theory is, he made jokes about the shooting when he confessed to his roommate. Do you seriously believe the family would've said something like "yeah, I believe our son would've spoken in joking manner after killing that man", and not only that, but then the feds would have to take that to be true of his character and then come up with some jokes to add in.

My argument is all the things needed to line up to where they created a dialogue, not knowing really anything about Tyler nor the roommate, in such a limited period of time, where there's personal/emotive language and attributes (like him joking about the shooting) is such an improbable scernario, and that's before we get into the fact they didn't add any radical-left propoganda.

So you're just going on the impracticality of this?

Sort of like an Occam's Razor, despite everything we know about this particular version of the FBI.

I think we're done here.

Good discussion.

 

[Vandelay]

Someone on YouTube made a good point.

• He disassembled the gun to travel with it.
• Assembled it on the roof
• Disassembled after he shot Kirk to transport
• Reassembled in the woods why?

Sure, if all this happened... how'd he reassemble it if he left the screwdriver on the roof?