Breaking down the NBA MVP ballot

[mbewane]

Kobe, Mike, TMac, and KG instantly come to mind as well. CLE were super-regular season teams. If those teams win 45 games Bron doesn't get MVP those years, no matter how well he plays. Magic and Bird won MVPs on teams stacked with HOFers. Mike didnt' win an MVP without Scottie on the roster. KG didnt' win MVP until Spree and Cassell came to town. Point is MVP is more so about team success then actual value to the team or individual greatness. Melo is just recently started to really catch any sort of flack and that's only because he is in NY.

I'm confused, there is no way Cleveland was a "super-team" in the sense that they were stacked, they won a lot of regular season games but so did Dallas for years. But Bron still won the MVP. Of course you have to have team success, but all those wins in the EC weren't THAT impressive when you see how bad the Conference was. (I'd have to see their record against the west). A better argument would have been, imo, that with that same team in the West, Bron is a superstar on a team playing for 4-6th seed.

Nash won two MVPs with...Amar'e, Olajuwon with Vernon Maxwell and Drexler, Dirk with Jason Terry, I mean we can flip the great teamate argument the other way. I don't believe anyone lately has had such a stacked team from top to bottom as Bron, I might be wrong but I don't see it.

Kobe was hated only because he's Kobe, he's been hated since he came in the league, and hated whether he won or not, so he's not even in the discussion imo. T-Mac is ridiculed for that statement of "finally being in the 2nd round" and for becoming , no one HATES T-Mac. And never have I heard people talk slick about Garnett when he was in Minny, if anything people saw him as a "good guy" who was "loyal" (remember that teary-eyed intw with Thompson?), if anything people started hating when he won in Boston.

 

[FTBS]

I'm confused, there is no way Cleveland was a "super-team" in the sense that they were stacked, they won a lot of regular season games but so did Dallas for years. But Bron still won the MVP. Of course you have to have team success, but all those wins in the EC weren't THAT impressive when you see how bad the Conference was. (I'd have to see their record against the west). A better argument would have been, imo, that with that same team in the West, Bron is a superstar on a team playing for 4-6th seed.

Nash won two MVPs with...Amar'e, Olajuwon with Vernon Maxwell and Drexler, Dirk with Jason Terry, I mean we can flip the great teamate argument the other way. I don't believe anyone lately has had such a stacked team from top to bottom as Bron, I might be wrong but I don't see it.

Kobe was hated only because he's Kobe, he's been hated since he came in the league, and hated whether he won or not, so he's not even in the discussion imo. T-Mac is ridiculed for that statement of "finally being in the 2nd round" and for becoming , no one HATES T-Mac. And never have I heard people talk slick about Garnett when he was in Minny, if anything people saw him as a "good guy" who was "loyal" (remember that teary-eyed intw with Thompson?), if anything people started hating when he won in Boston.

The point is that MVPs almost always goes to guys on 55+ win team. Generally it takes a certain level of talent to achieve that. Guys are generally rewarded with MVP when their value is at it's lowest (considering what is around them).

You really gonna act like Boston and LA haven't been stacked? Kobe gets no MVP for avg 35 a game and carrying Smuch and co. into the playoffs but when Bynum comes into his own and Pau comes to town he magically transforms into MVP.

T-Mac was regularly shat on by the media and the Kobe army. You can't look at what is said now as an indication of how it was then. BTW he never said "it's nice to be in the 2nd round". Stop it with "everybody hates Kobe" shyt. The nikka was thoroughly sucked early in his career. He caught shyt for the Lakers drop off after Shaq left. There is no denying that. Once again that KG loyalty shyt came after the fact. At the time he was ridiculed for not getting out of the first round.

 

[Ashyneezz]

and change the NBA logo to:

cacs will be heated

 

[mbewane]

The point is that MVPs almost always goes to guys on 55+ win team. Generally it takes a certain level of talent to achieve that. Guys are generally rewarded with MVP when their value is at it's lowest (considering what is around them).

You really gonna act like Boston and LA haven't been stacked? Kobe gets no MVP for avg 35 a game and carrying Smuch and co. into the playoffs but when Bynum comes into his own and Pau comes to town he magically transforms into MVP.

T-Mac was regularly shat on by the media and the Kobe army. You can't look at what is said now as an indication of how it was then. BTW he never said "it's nice to be in the 2nd round". Stop it with "everybody hates Kobe" shyt. The nikka was thoroughly sucked early in his career. He caught shyt for the Lakers drop off after Shaq left. There is no denying that. Once again that KG loyalty shyt came after the fact. At the time he was ridiculed for not getting out of the first round.

Big Three Boston got guys on the tail-end of their careers, but that first year I'll agree that they were stacked. But from top to bottom, I don't feel that any LA team was as stacked as Miami. Kobe-Shaq > Bron-Wade, but they got Bosh too. And I think Miami's bench has more firepower (mind you, that doesn't necessarily mean that Miami plays better). Kobe Lakers had only Kobe as a true franchise player (Gasol is very good, but we saw how far Memphis went with him as number one).

Honestly, I just don't remember T-Mac getting shytted on, neither Garnett. It could be remembering incorrectly. I do remember that the loyalty thing was there before he was traded to Boston, it came up regularly in the media. And come on, people were on Kobe's case ever since he put those shades on the podium

 

[FTBS]

Big Three Boston got guys on the tail-end of their careers, but that first year I'll agree that they were stacked. But from top to bottom, I don't feel that any LA team was as stacked as Miami. Kobe-Shaq > Bron-Wade, but they got Bosh too. And I think Miami's bench has more firepower (mind you, that doesn't necessarily mean that Miami plays better). Kobe Lakers had only Kobe as a true franchise player (Gasol is very good, but we saw how far Memphis went with him as number one).

So you just gonna ignore the precedent that has been set? Bill Russell won 4 in 5 years with how many HOFers. Magic and Bird had how many HOF teammates when they won? As I previously stated, MVP is a team award. Your actual value to your team is nowhere near as important as how well the team plays as ass backwards as that may sound.

 

[bzb]

Exactly.

Last year he dominated and took his game inside and on the elbow almost exclusively..

This year he actually improved and took it up a notch



Thats why we are all buggin at this dude..

he switched his offensive game up (higher degree of difficulty shooting further out from the basket) and has better numbers. we can't really say last year was like this one, can we...

the point is lebron (this season) is more efficient and more dominating than he has ever been in his entire career. he's having more fun and playing with a lot less pressure. he's even getting less hate at other arenas. best player in the league hands down, and definitely the mvp.

i think you could replace any team's best player with lebron and they'd be even better than they were before.

 

[mbewane]

So you just gonna ignore the precedent that has been set? Bill Russell won 4 in 5 years with how many HOFers. Magic and Bird had how many HOF teammates when they won? As I previously stated, MVP is a team award. Your actual value to your team is nowhere near as important as how well the team plays as ass backwards as that may sound.

No I was just talking about teams I actually saw playing regularly, I didn't really see enough of the Bird/Magic era to have a valid opinion on what was going on back then, that's whay I don't go too back.

 

[FTBS]

No I was just talking about teams I actually saw playing regularly, I didn't really see enough of the Bird/Magic era to have a valid opinion on what was going on back then, that's whay I don't go too back.

I respect that however, I mean you did know that those teams were stacked right? Heat were more stacked last year when Bron won it and this year when he is gonna win it again than they were in the first year when he didn't win it.

 

[dem bath salts]

Not only is LeBron the best player in the league and on the best team in that league, he is also that teams leading scorer, its best defender, lead assist man and leading rebounder. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. you nikkas...

 

[mbewane]

I respect that however, I mean you did know that those teams were stacked right? Heat were more stacked last year when Bron won it and this year when he is gonna win it again than they were in the first year when he didn't win it.

yeah I do know that but there were less teams, rules were different, training too...too many different variables to take into account...and I don't know how much MORE stacked they were than other teams, I mean in 20 years people will probably think that Dwight Howard was a better defender than Mutombo or Olajuwon because he won three straight DPOYs, or that Nash was better than and

TBH I think the first year in Miami was a feeling out year (quite a good one, they went to the Finals) and Bron was kind of "holding back" or not comfortable, but I agree this year the Heat if even more stacked.

Breh tbh I'm not sure anymore what was the initial point we were discussing

 

[Danny Up]

Not only is LeBron the best player in the league and on the best team in that league, he is also that teams leading scorer, its best defender, lead assist man and leading rebounder. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. you nikkas...

It's really not.

 

[FTBS]

yeah I do know that but there were less teams, rules were different, training too...too many different variables to take into account...and I don't know how much MORE stacked they were than other teams, I mean in 20 years people will probably think that Dwight Howard was a better defender than Mutombo or Olajuwon because he won three straight DPOYs, or that Nash was better than and

TBH I think the first year in Miami was a feeling out year (quite a good one, they went to the Finals) and Bron was kind of "holding back" or not comfortable, but I agree this year the Heat if even more stacked.

None of that has anything to do with the fact that Magic and Bird won multiple MVPs with multiple great players around them. All you have to do is a little research to see how stacked the other teams were. These two squad completely dominated the decade so they had to have something going for them in terms of talent.

Breh tbh I'm not sure anymore what was the initial point we were discussing

It's the coli...no fukks given.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Not only is LeBron the best player in the league and on the best team in that league, he is also that teams leading scorer, its best defender, lead assist man and leading rebounder. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. you nikkas...

Not really that's the definition for best player they have routinely changed the criteria only recently did this per and stuff become so important. You think all these reporters go watch enough heat , thunder , spurs , knicks , clippers games to judge ? Or just watch the primetime games ? That top player List shows they don't . Harden better than tduncan and Melo ? Cp3 that high after the clippers and his lackluster second half

 

[mbewane]

None of that has anything to do with the fact that Magic and Bird won multiple MVPs with multiple great players around them. All you have to do is a little research to see how stacked the other teams were. These two squad completely dominated the decade so they had to have something going for them in terms of talent.



It's the coli...no fukks given.

Too lazy for the research so I'll take this L

 

[dem bath salts]

Not really that's the definition for best player they have routinely changed the criteria only recently did this per and stuff become so important. You think all these reporters go watch enough heat , thunder , spurs , knicks , clippers games to judge ? Or just watch the primetime games ? That top player List shows they don't . Harden better than tduncan and Melo ? Cp3 that high after the clippers and his lackluster second half

The most valuable player on the best team in the league is the MVP. Period.

It's not that he's just the best player in the league, but he leads the best team in every fukking statistical category.
When Kobe was the best player in the league, he didnt lead the lakers in rebounds or assists. LeBron does both. Best player in the league, on the best team in the league, and leads that team in all categories equals MVP. Just how that shyt works.