BREAKING: "Dutch Trump" Far-Right Geert Wilders wins National Election in The Netherlands (35% Exit Poll)

[BaggerofTea]

I take this loaded question as an admission that, for you, this issue isn't about what's best for Europe- but comeuppance.

As for the white people who are anti immigration, among them you will find interventionists and non-interventionists.

To whatever extent it matters, I'm a non-interventionist. STOP DESTABILIZING. Still, my position is, regardless of any European destabilization, European governments should do what's best for their countries. And mass immigration from the third world is not best for Europe. I oppose mass immigration in America and I oppose it there.

What's the alternative? Governments should do what's best for other country's people?

I actually dont disagree with this stance.

The problem is the lack of consistency from its most ardent supporters.


And its beyond just the geopolitical interventionism.

Its the cultural interventionism and the attempt to project superiority on third world people (forcing democracy, western liberal ideas, shoving western cultural concepts in the face of people who desire to live differently)

the desire to satisfy racial ego is high key fukking europe and to a lesser extent America.


France is a great example, they want to maintain control of certain western african nations by shoving francophonism down their throats.

How about leaving those people completely alone? Let them carve out their own cultural norms free of western interference.

 

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How Europe’s far right is marching steadily into the mainstream

Whether in Italy, Spain, France or Finland, parties that were once outcasts are fast gaining respectability – and power

www.theguardian.com

They are not big enough on the world stage for me to care about.

Get your GDP up first if you want me to care…

 

[Starman]

I actually dont disagree with this stance.

Wow! A rare agreement! I'm gonna take this and run. Have a blessed day!

 

[BaggerofTea]

Wow! A rare agreement! I'm gonna take this and run. Have a blessed day!

All countries should be allowed to look out for the best interest.


Just be consistent with it.

 

[Premeditated]

so his beef is with the North Africans and Arabs?

cool. no sweat of my back.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The pro- HAMAS protests are going to get a lot of right wingers elected.

When is Europe going to realize letting all them Muslims in who refuse to assimilate will be a bad idea.

That is pushing more and more governments to the right.

It’s been bubbling because of Islamic refugees and immigrants.

But seeing 1000s and 1000s of people protesting against Israel who more or less share your ideals and align with Palestine who don’t share your ideals and way of life would be scary.

But y’all just chop it up to Islamophobia without having a serious conversation about it.

People laugh but this is true. Western governments PLUS social media won’t tolerate it. Plus, the SILENT MAJORITY is not in favor of the shyt they see in Iran of killing females who dont wear the Hijab etc.

Things is, muslims aren’t exactly proving him wrong based on their actions. No one wants to live under sharia to ANY extent. It’s a chicken and egg thing at this point.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

never used the term islamophobia

it's not one thing driving the right swing of western society. this has been going on for a while from Trumps election to brexit and so forth. not sure why anyone is trying to shoehorn current event into the picture as the main reason

it's been bubbling because of non white refugees and economics

This was the argument when The New Atheists moment popped up from like 2010 to 2012 because it was clear the West overcorrected in response to 9/11 but there was an increasing realization that Muslims dont share the same general principles most europeans do'

And I’ll grant you that The Cold War radicalized the muslim world because leaders who were anti-socialist/communist were preferred over their

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Holy shyt, I didn't know about that. Two major figures in his party converted to Islam.

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim

Why is a former member of Geert Wilders' anti-Islamic Party for Freedom – who made a film claiming Muslims are violent – tweeting from Mecca?

www.theguardian.com

Dutch former anti-Muslim politician converts to Islam

Joram van Klaveren is the second ex-PVV politician to convert.

www.politico.eu

"His former political leader Wilders (PVV) said he had never seen Van Klaveren's conversion coming, adding that if Van Klaveren had still been with the PVV, he would have had to leave immediately.[9] "



What an a$$hole. So they call themselves the "Party of Freedom", but they would kick out a member solely because he converted to a religion they didn't like? How is that even legal there?

I see the split as “conservative Western muslims” vs “radical muslims"

Like you’ve got Tory muslims then you’ve got your Labour Muslims

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So, not only are we conflating support for Palestine with support for Hamas, we're also claiming that support is driving right-wing extremism. Wow. It's crazy to me how some of you lie so blatantly on behalf of Israel. And if anything gets right-wingers elected, at least in the US, it will be shyt like this:

Rallying with the same racist extremists that they'll demand we vote out of office, because they're so dangerous.

To be fair the USA doesn’t have radical muslims like Europe does

Like muslims in the USA ain’t wearing Burkas or super radical shyt because they know they’ll get rooted out.

in Europe you got muslims acting like London is literally Riyadh

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Over here in The Netherlands the pro-Palestine protests actually had some Hamas and ISIL flags there, those few flags made a big impression on a lot of (already right-leaning) voters. I think it has given fuel to this result. Same goes for the 'River to the sea' that keeps popping up at the protests, regardless of your personal view, in rightwing circles this is seen as a antisemitic quote. The voters have been choosing mostly parties on the right for decades, sadly this is not such a surprise in these circumstances.

Right. In the USA, radical muslims ain’t even trying to do that shyt. They might even try it in Canada, but they know damn well not to try that shyt in the USA.

In the UK/France/Germany you’ve got LITERAL ISIS members and Al-Qaeda fans just chilling in the park and shyt who are way more rooted to their homelands than they are in the USA.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Answer this.

Why do whites believe they can destabilize non black countries then catch the Pikachu face when the citizens of said country run to the stable countries responsible for their destabilization

Europeans are showing you that everything up to now was a choice. They didn’t HAVE to take those refugees in…and they’re showing you it can get MUCH worse, so the answer to your question is:

…because they can.

So this notion that they’re “supposed” to let in migrants and allow rampant islamic migration is not a “given” and certainly isn’t guaranteed

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I actually dont disagree with this stance.

The problem is the lack of consistency from its most ardent supporters.


And its beyond just the geopolitical interventionism.

Its the cultural interventionism and the attempt to project superiority on third world people (forcing democracy, western liberal ideas, shoving western cultural concepts in the face of people who desire to live differently)

the desire to satisfy racial ego is high key fukking europe and to a lesser extent America.


France is a great example, they want to maintain control of certain western african nations by shoving francophonism down their throats.

How about leaving those people completely alone? Let them carve out their own cultural norms free of western interference.

you can’t have it both ways though…France is telling muslims yo stop oppressing women with the Burka and forcing muslims to dress a certain way

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/28/europe/france-abayas-schools-ban-intl/index.html

is that cultural interventionism? And why are muslims so mad about it when they chose to migrate to France?

 

[BaggerofTea]

Europeans are showing you that everything up to now was a choice. They didn’t HAVE to take those refugees in…and they’re showing you it can get MUCH worse, so the answer to your question is:

…because they can.

So this notion that they’re “supposed” to let in migrants and allow rampant islamic migration is not a “given” and certainly isn’t guaranteed

then they lose their geo political grip driven by ego over the non white nations.

Whites would rather eat their shoe and still maintain hegomonic influence than focus on themselves and leave others alone.

 

[BaggerofTea]

you can’t have it both ways though…France is telling muslims yo stop oppressing women with the Burka and forcing muslims to dress a certain way

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/28/europe/france-abayas-schools-ban-intl/index.html

is that cultural interventionism? And why are muslims so mad about it when they chose to migrate to France?

I dont give a fukk about Muslims crying about French laws.

They know what the deal is and that shyt isnt tolerated in other countries.


But in their own country, leave them the fukk alone and stop interfering in their domestic politics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

then they lose their geo political grip driven by ego over the non white nations.

Whites would rather eat their shoe and still maintain hegomonic influence than focus on themselves and leave others alone.

See you’re forcing me into this argument where I have to side with people who aren’t a fan of islamic migrants because they end up making shyt hot for sub-saharan migrants.

Fact is, my parents are Jamaican and it’s highly likely I’d have been born in London among those who came to the UK from the Windrush migration.

These far right europeans dont want ANY migrants. Hell, the UK didn’t even want Polish service workers!

So muslims come over with all this …lets be honest…baggage that no one wants… and they make it hot for everyone from the Caribbean to Nigeria to Kenya who aren’t muslims etc. Hell, even the Indians and south asians.

No one has done more to fukk this up than islamic migrants have.
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