Breaking news: Schools are now free to begin paying their athletes directly, marking the dawn of a new era in college sports.

[Bigwhite2498]

First off, you do care cause you are in here typing about it. So lets get off that fake platform right now. You might not care about the schools, but you care about the system of these kids getting paid.

I hear you, so I will say this. To use your words, Amateurs dont get paid! Even amateurs in professional sports dont get paid until they are pros. So if they have been amateurs (your words), then no, they shouldnt have been paid. I dont believe that. They should get some money for what they are bringing to the school playing their sport.

Also, the labor was never 'free'. All these kids went to school free. But I still think they should get some money because of the damage they are putting on their bodies.

Last, the schools that need to be propped up are due to boosters, not the school itself. Thats there the extra money is coming from. That and the TV deals that people complain about so much.

The bolded is the most disingenuous bullshyt I’ve seen lmao. A regular ass student who provides no value to the college in terms of dollars can get a full ride. Also you missed the part where they was mainly broke because they couldn’t really have jobs or even accept anything for free. Or the fact that that free ride could be gone immediately if the coach didn’t want you no more or a new coach came in.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Depends on your definition of a mid-tier school. My school, GT, is what I would consider a mid tier school but until recently we have been able to compete in football, basketball, and baseball. Not just compete but make major bowls and long tourney runs.

Schools like ours cannot compete under this current system.

And whether you want to believe it or not, you need schools like that to make the whole thing viable. Once you eliminate those schools from competing then the entire conference system collapses and you need to redo college athletes as a whole, not just football but all the sports.

Nobody has the appetite to come to the table and start from scratch. Not the schools nor the television partners.

GT has never and will never be a mid tier school lmao they are in a major conference that also gets major tv contracts and are about to spend 500 million to redo the stadium have an annual budget of 128 million a year and got 48 million from the acc for the tv contract lmaoo. Mid tier would be like a G5 school.

 

[jadillac]

thats not what you are saying. You were upset about OU having to cut staff because they couldn't afford them due to whats about to football players salaries. Their point was OU needs to find a way to budget properly, and not regulate player movement and payments.

First off, I wasn't "upset".

Secondly , the reason the staff got layed off is BECAUSE they no longer fit into the amount OU has budgeted. OU already had a former NFL GM in place. But that budget is coming from OU itself.

The payment rules/oversight need to come from a governing body over all of this.

You can't have an Ohio State or Texas A&M who can field a $40 mil roster when even a school like Alabama cant afford that. You think, for example, Auburn fans or USC fans are content playing for pride because they can't pay enough to field a competitive team anymore?

 

[jadillac]

...that's not what I'm saying

The rules and management you are seemingly referring to are to protect the schools and to limit what players get and manage their commitments so it "wont get out of control". I have no interest in that since those commitments and control are unilateral...they benefit the schools.

I'm saying that the financial concern i quote is just basic budget management and has little to do with the rules you're referring to.

Imo, it would be NICE as a fan to have multi year commitments from players and compensation structure but it isn't RIGHT. What's right to me is the free hand of the market governing what players get, and players negotiating that either individually or thru a union.

Right to me (independent from what I'd LIKE) would be no salary caps, compensation governed by the schools and distributed how they'd like based on how they want to compete (individually, by position group, by seniority, by performance, etc), this comp to be public since the schools are, and it keeps the schools more transparent.

So, no I don't think there "needs" to be rules like you're referring to

All good. We all have differing opinions on how this should/can work.

I simply don't think it can work unregulated and with no rules in place.

Fans aren't interested in their team playing for school pride. Canceling spring games to prevent other schools from seeing your talent? That's lame af. But that's where we are.

If Michigan, texas, A&M, Ohio State, 1 or 2 others are the only ones who can afford to field a legitimately winnable roster every year, we'll see how long that lasts.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

All good. We all have differing opinions on how this should/can work.

I simply don't think it can work unregulated and with no rules in place.

Fans aren't interested in their team playing for school pride. Canceling spring games to prevent other schools from seeing your talent? That's lame af. But that's where we are.

If Michigan, texas, A&M, Ohio State, 1 or 2 others are the only ones who can afford to field a legitimately winnable roster every year, we'll see how long that lasts.

I feel you, but as an EMU alum who used to work at the big house...I gotta say...it has always been that way.
Other than aTm having winnable rosters

 

[Reality Check]

I wonder how Title IX is gonna play into this. You know soon as football players get put on the official payroll some chick on the women’s bowling team is gonna demand equal compensation.

Schools will probably want to keep direct payments at a minimum because of this and let the boosters run up the NIL numbers like usual.

I'm guessing that's how they'll get around it. If they pay 5k per athlete for example, they'll let the NIL/boosters handle the rest so the athletics departments aren't completely draining their budgets.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Peter Thamel has been talking about this on McAfee for the last 20-30 min btw. Good info/analysis. Rewind a bit



I'll drop the link when it's broken out

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

if the only way they were able to employ these people was because of free labor then tough shyt that those jobs are lost. too many people were benefiting from free labor. maybe cut the head coach's salary ... got coordinators making $2-3m a year like that shyt is suppose to be normal.

Everyone on every industry is always on the look for justifications to cut staff. This is just an excuse to trim some fat.

 

[Left.A1]

Depends on your definition of a mid-tier school. My school, GT, is what I would consider a mid tier school but until recently we have been able to compete in football, basketball, and baseball. Not just compete but make major bowls and long tourney runs.
Schools like ours cannot compete under this current system.

Lmao your school is an irrelevant non factor….. You've had a “couple” of decent seasons over the last 30 years in the major sports but you are not competing for shyt under ANY system... 4 conference titles in basketball in your whole history never been to a playoff game in football I think the last time y'all were even in the conversation was in the early 90s ...like y'all gotta stop with the delusional lack of self awareness….your school doesn't take sports serious you nikkas aren't in this conversation period.… ain't nobody trying to here no “buh buh buh its the new system its rigged against us” excuse... No nikka its your bum ass athletic program

This is the classic “bench players talking like starters I hate it” bar come to life.… what are you even talking about right now nikka

And whether you want to believe it or not, you need schools like that to make the whole thing viable. Once you eliminate those schools from competing then the entire conference system collapses and you need to redo college athletes as a whole, not just football but all the sports.

No the fukk you don't.… you're irrelevant nobody cares about you.…you only feel this way because you WANT to feel important in the grand scheme lol.… you nikkas haven't been “competing” already... Put that crack down

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Sometimes the shyt has to hit the fan in order for everyone to come together and figure out a more viable solution going forward. Personally I could give a fuk bc as some others have stated this is only an issue because universities/NCAA and even fans fought any kind of reform for decades.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Nah, most athletic departments at top schools are self-funding. The football and basketball players basically pay for all the other student athletes. Most of that equity talk is based on the illusion of “amateur” and collegiate athletics. Once they’re employees paid directly by the school - the school should be able to argue that they’re paying employees based on market demands and budget. Like how can a women’s basketball team with an empty gym say they should be paid the same as Duke men’s basketball? Unions will probably resolve all of that with revenue sharing. I do think programs will be cut however. Like Temple is on the verge of cutting football.

I know. Student Athletes need to unionize (and it will probably help the schools too).

But now that they have to pay all student athletes, you see schools implementing these fees on students to help with the bill in the meantime.

 

[hashmander]

Lmao your school is an irrelevant non factor….. You've had a “couple” of decent seasons over the last 30 years in the major sports but you are not competing for shyt under ANY system... 4 conference titles in basketball in your whole history never been to a playoff game in football I think the last time y'all were even in the conversation was in the early 90s ...like y'all gotta stop with the delusional lack of self awareness….your school doesn't take sports serious you nikkas aren't in this conversation period.… ain't nobody trying to here no “buh buh buh its the new system its rigged against us” excuse... No nikka its your bum ass athletic program

This is the classic “bench players talking like starters I hate it” bar come to life.… what are you even talking about right now nikka

No the fukk you don't.… you're irrelevant nobody cares about you.…you only feel this way because you WANT to feel important in the grand scheme lol.… you nikkas haven't been “competing” already... Put that crack down

 

[No1]

I know. Student Athletes need to unionize (and it will probably help the schools too).

But now that they have to pay all student athletes, you see schools implementing these fees on students to help with the bill in the meantime.

Nah, they’re going to get private equity.

Penn State, UCLA Take Private Equity Funding Deal With Elevate

The Big Ten schools are the first partners to sign with Elevate's new $500 million College Investment Initiative.

www.sportico.com

 

[Rekkapryde]

Nah, they’re going to get private equity.

Penn State, UCLA Take Private Equity Funding Deal With Elevate

The Big Ten schools are the first partners to sign with Elevate's new $500 million College Investment Initiative.

www.sportico.com

that's even worse than adding on a couple of hundred to your student athletic fee.

not a good idea.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Lmao your school is an irrelevant non factor….. You've had a “couple” of decent seasons over the last 30 years in the major sports but you are not competing for shyt under ANY system... 4 conference titles in basketball in your whole history never been to a playoff game in football I think the last time y'all were even in the conversation was in the early 90s ...like y'all gotta stop with the delusional lack of self awareness….your school doesn't take sports serious you nikkas aren't in this conversation period.… ain't nobody trying to here no “buh buh buh its the new system its rigged against us” excuse... No nikka its your bum ass athletic program

This is the classic “bench players talking like starters I hate it” bar come to life.… what are you even talking about right now nikka

No the fukk you don't.… you're irrelevant nobody cares about you.…you only feel this way because you WANT to feel important in the grand scheme lol.… you nikkas haven't been “competing” already... Put that crack down

@The_Sheff is 100% right. We might not be shyt on a championship level, but you need your stable schools. And we are more than stable. Everyone can't be big bold blue bloods and under this new system, some who used to be are about to FAFO real quick.