Breaking news: Schools are now free to begin paying their athletes directly, marking the dawn of a new era in college sports.

[No1]

Exactly. And its not with schools like Texas Tech per se (the main booster for Texas Tech's NIL fund just sold his oil company for $4 billion).

The point is all the other schools that dont have billionaire boosters. Every school cant do that. So even low level Big Ten or SEC or ACC schools, they cant match that. And with the mentality to be 'go where the money is' there is only so many spots at those schools. And once these kids dont produce championships, these boosters will stop donating.

Im not against these kids getting some money, but I am also not for the kids of today ruining the system so it will be done for kids 5, 10, 15 years down the road.

First off - again - no one cares except people invested in these other schools that solely exist to profit off unpaid labor. You know what happens when workers get a fair wage? Poorly run businesses die. Guess what - in sports some programs are bigger than others - it’s why you have multiple divisions in soccer. Manchester United has more bread than Norwich. Tough luck. A start can’t pay the same as Apple so people leave. This is the business world. Your complaints are based on a system that should’ve never existed and that was an anomaly in American society. Where else in American society are you clamoring for the regulation of worker’s salaries and spreading the wealth?

Second these schools have revenue sharing agreements if they are in any sort of conference so they’ll simply be sharing that revenue with players instead of pocketing it. It means that the football coach no longer gets to be the highest paid person in the state. NIL and revenue sharing are two different things and I don’t know why you’re conflating the two. Top schools have always been paying players and offering them benefits that smaller schools can’t. NIL allowed for that all to be brought up to the surface and suddenly the schools without bagmen were able to play the game legitimately. That’s all it is. There’s nothing stopping Texas Tech from sharing its conference revenue with its players. Whether it can compete from an NIL standpoint is a completely different conversation.

That’s like saying you need to regulate the connections a major talent agency has to marketing and branding companies and their ability to get you better deals than your local manager. Yeah that’s life. The only thing that needs to be regulated - through unions is the benefits players get and standardized contractual terms. I can empathize with the people annoyed about players being poached and I can agree that maybe making it so that freshman who sign must stay at least two years unless their coach leaves but upperclassmen should be free to move as they please. Most of these kids aren’t ever going to play professional ball and they deserve to maximize their income while they can.

 

[jadillac]

Honestly man...I don't get your argument. The answer is "create and manage a budget". Like every other organization in the world

But that's literally what I've been saying. It needs to be managed. It needs to have rules.

 

[mastermind]

but they aren't competing as big east football teams. uconn is an fbs indy (they're still trying to compete at a high level and would probably join the big 12 or acc in all sports tomorrow if that was available to them), georgetown is fcs, etc. but from a conference stand point there is no requirement for them to have football to be in the big east.

his argument was that these schools are forced by their conferences to play football as all sports members. that's true, but they don't have to stay and there will be a lot more that just say fukk it let's commit to the other sports. why is western michigan wasting their time with mac football for a $500k a year tv deal. the hockey team just won a national championship. focus on the ncaa sports that are actually fair competitions. FBS football isn't.

facts

 

[mastermind]

But that's literally what I've been saying. It needs to be managed. It needs to have rules.

thats not what you are saying. You were upset about OU having to cut staff because they couldn't afford them due to whats about to football players salaries. Their point was OU needs to find a way to budget properly, and not regulate player movement and payments.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

thats not what you are saying. You were upset about OU having to cut staff because they couldn't afford them due to whats about to football players salaries. Their point was OU needs to find a way to budget properly, and not regulate player movement and payments.

What he really upset about is since nil Texas been whooping tf outta OU in all sports

 

[Bigwhite2498]

First off - again - no one cares except people invested in these other schools that solely exist to profit off unpaid labor. You know what happens when workers get a fair wage? Poorly run businesses die. Guess what - in sports some programs are bigger than others - it’s why you have multiple divisions in soccer. Manchester United has more bread than Norwich. Tough luck. A start can’t pay the same as Apple so people leave. This is the business world. Your complaints are based on a system that should’ve never existed and that was an anomaly in American society. Where else in American society are you clamoring for the regulation of worker’s salaries and spreading the wealth?

Second these schools have revenue sharing agreements if they are in any sort of conference so they’ll simply be sharing that revenue with players instead of pocketing it. It means that the football coach no longer gets to be the highest paid person in the state. NIL and revenue sharing are two different things and I don’t know why you’re conflating the two. Top schools have always been paying players and offering them benefits that smaller schools can’t. NIL allowed for that all to be brought up to the surface and suddenly the schools without bagmen were able to play the game legitimately. That’s all it is. There’s nothing stopping Texas Tech from sharing its conference revenue with its players. Whether it can compete from an NIL standpoint is a completely different conversation.

That’s like saying you need to regulate the connections a major talent agency has to marketing and branding companies and their ability to get you better deals than your local manager. Yeah that’s life. The only thing that needs to be regulated - through unions is the benefits players get and standardized contractual terms. I can empathize with the people annoyed about players being poached and I can agree that maybe making it so that freshman who sign must stay at least two years unless their coach leaves but upperclassmen should be free to move as they please. Most of these kids aren’t ever going to play professional ball and they deserve to maximize their income while they can.

They want to do illegal practices just to keep their broke ass favorite schools elite. It’s sad because these are supposedly black men who want to restrict the earnings of other black men who mostly grew up in poverty to benefit some white mfs

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

But that's literally what I've been saying. It needs to be managed. It needs to have rules.

...that's not what I'm saying

The rules and management you are seemingly referring to are to protect the schools and to limit what players get and manage their commitments so it "wont get out of control". I have no interest in that since those commitments and control are unilateral...they benefit the schools.

I'm saying that the financial concern i quote is just basic budget management and has little to do with the rules you're referring to.

Imo, it would be NICE as a fan to have multi year commitments from players and compensation structure but it isn't RIGHT. What's right to me is the free hand of the market governing what players get, and players negotiating that either individually or thru a union.

Right to me (independent from what I'd LIKE) would be no salary caps, compensation governed by the schools and distributed how they'd like based on how they want to compete (individually, by position group, by seniority, by performance, etc), this comp to be public since the schools are, and it keeps the schools more transparent.

So, no I don't think there "needs" to be rules like you're referring to

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

thats not what you are saying. You were upset about OU having to cut staff because they couldn't afford them due to whats about to football players salaries. Their point was OU needs to find a way to budget properly, and not regulate player movement and payments.

Exactly

 

[hashmander]

First off - again - no one cares except people invested in these other schools that solely exist to profit off unpaid labor. You know what happens when workers get a fair wage? Poorly run businesses die. Guess what - in sports some programs are bigger than others - it’s why you have multiple divisions in soccer. Manchester United has more bread than Norwich. Tough luck. A start can’t pay the same as Apple so people leave. This is the business world. Your complaints are based on a system that should’ve never existed and that was an anomaly in American society. Where else in American society are you clamoring for the regulation of worker’s salaries and spreading the wealth?

Second these schools have revenue sharing agreements if they are in any sort of conference so they’ll simply be sharing that revenue with players instead of pocketing it. It means that the football coach no longer gets to be the highest paid person in the state. NIL and revenue sharing are two different things and I don’t know why you’re conflating the two. Top schools have always been paying players and offering them benefits that smaller schools can’t. NIL allowed for that all to be brought up to the surface and suddenly the schools without bagmen were able to play the game legitimately. That’s all it is. There’s nothing stopping Texas Tech from sharing its conference revenue with its players. Whether it can compete from an NIL standpoint is a completely different conversation.

That’s like saying you need to regulate the connections a major talent agency has to marketing and branding companies and their ability to get you better deals than your local manager. Yeah that’s life. The only thing that needs to be regulated - through unions is the benefits players get and standardized contractual terms. I can empathize with the people annoyed about players being poached and I can agree that maybe making it so that freshman who sign must stay at least two years unless their coach leaves but upperclassmen should be free to move as they please. Most of these kids aren’t ever going to play professional ball and they deserve to maximize their income while they can.

it was so egregious that even the conservatives on the court were like WTF, this is exploitation. to get this bunch to be like "damn that's foul" you know you're a really fukked up institution.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/supreme-court-appears-to-favor-college-athletes-in-ncaa-pay-case.html

Several of the court’s conservatives expressed concerns that the NCAA’s arguments are hypocritical or exploitative.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh said his “overarching concern” is that the sports organization is using the cover of antitrust law to exploit students.

Kavanaugh said it seems as though schools are “conspiring with competitors to pay no salaries to the workers who are making the schools billions of dollars on the theory that consumers want the schools to pay their workers nothing.”

That is “somewhat disturbing,” said Kavanaugh, an appointee of former President Donald Trump.

Kavanaugh added that he believes the Board of Regents case Waxman relied on “really was from a different era” and not persuasive.

Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett also seemed disturbed by some of the NCAA’s arguments. Alito was appointed by former President George W. Bush, Thomas by former President H.W. Bush, and Barrett by Trump.

Thomas noted that NCAA coaches make millions of dollars, for instance, one of the key arguments made by those opposing the NCAA’s limitations on player pay.

“It just strikes me as odd that the coaches’ salaries have ballooned,” he said.

Barrett asked Waxman if it is really his argument that “consumers enjoy watching unpaid people play sports.”

“Yes, that is our line,” Waxman said.

 

[No1]

They want to do illegal practices just to keep their broke ass favorite schools elite. It’s sad because these are supposedly black men who want to restrict the earnings of other black men who mostly grew up in poverty to benefit some white mfs

Dudes crying about billionaire donors not getting an ROI while rooting for teams in Trump country is one of the wildest only in America things that I’ve ever seen.

 

[Left.A1]

This. There are for sure some that are misguided and are basically gong-ho for players getting money that they wish that they could have if/when they were playing. The problem is the system as a whole.

This NIL system is not sustainable for the long-term. So, while Im glad that players are getting money, they need to get it while they can cause the bottom will be falling out.

There are plenty of donors at these small schools who are stopping their donations, cause their schools have no chance to compete for anything, and they are just throwing money into a black hole. All those donors add up, and these mid tier schools wont compete, and be able to pay, and that just will shrink the pool of money overall. This system will be overhauled within the next 5 years in a major way.

Mid-tier schools have never been in the “compete” conversation to begin with Lmao at this nonsense.…. Collegiate athletics has always been segregated between the have’s an have not’s. All of this babble ovr NIL as if its going to disrupt that ongoing order is comical

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Dudes crying about billionaire donors not getting an ROI while rooting for teams in Trump country is one of the wildest only in America things that I’ve ever seen.

I don't even understand pro labor and contract arguments where people side with billionaires over millionaires....but this?? IDGAF if Phil Knight or Stephen Ross is happy...pay these motherfukkers.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Dudes crying about billionaire donors not getting an ROI while rooting for teams in Trump country is one of the wildest only in America things that I’ve ever seen.

Plus realistically what ROI would a donor get anyway they don’t make any of the money back and only one team can win the championship every year. Also why set a cap at 25 million when these sec schools and big 10 schools are making more than that in football tv revenue alone.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Mid-tier schools have never been in the “compete” conversation to begin with Lmao at this nonsense.…. Collegiate athletics has always been segregated between the have’s an have not’s. All of this babble ovr NIL as if its going to disrupt that ongoing order is comical

Right I don’t understand this notion of mid tier schools lmao they always been stepping stones for coaches but now that players use them as stepping stones everybody up in arms like wtf

 

[The_Sheff]

Mid-tier schools have never been in the “compete” conversation to begin with Lmao at this nonsense.…. Collegiate athletics has always been segregated between the have’s an have not’s. All of this babble ovr NIL as if its going to disrupt that ongoing order is comical

Depends on your definition of a mid-tier school. My school, GT, is what I would consider a mid tier school but until recently we have been able to compete in football, basketball, and baseball. Not just compete but make major bowls and long tourney runs.

Schools like ours cannot compete under this current system.

And whether you want to believe it or not, you need schools like that to make the whole thing viable. Once you eliminate those schools from competing then the entire conference system collapses and you need to redo college athletes as a whole, not just football but all the sports.

Nobody has the appetite to come to the table and start from scratch. Not the schools nor the television partners.