cauliflower
Pro
She's boring. That's the reason.
Breh on Facebook breaks down why Chloe is FLOPPING
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Damage and The Best Part were hits
But HER's last album did less than 40k its first week. Believe that's after winning an Oscar and multiple grammys
Ari Lennox did less than that her last album...the album before that just now goin gold
Her and ari Lennox don’t really do numbers, however they have built dedicated fan bases that genuinely love their music and will show up when they tour.
Nigerianwonder
Superstar
Yall simps Chloe a thot she ain't a good girl
Kind of weird how dudes project this image on her. Bunch of simps. She showed you who she is. And she is just a bird. Treat her accordingly.
IIVI
Superstar
Yeah it's only a win if they capitalize on it.
Like getting the cosign from someone like Beyonce who people look up to is basically taken as "This person is going to carry on that tradition", not get on the same level as everyone else.
I think them getting that title at 16 before they themselves even knew who they were was way too early. way too much responsibility as a teenager.
I think HER or Normani would've been more mature to handle it at the time imo as they actually had years of industry experience already.
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Mannnn stop…if she was making this wholesome brandy like music. Homie and black twitter speaks of. Y’all and black twitter still wouldn’t listen. And would’ve still found something to been mad about. Ol girl was always in a lose lose type of situation. CholexHalle was never popping in the 1st place. Only recently gotten in the spotlight. Because 1 is throwing ass, and the other is in a Disney movie. Them girls been putting out that wholesome music. Y’all so desperately wants but majority of y’all. Didn’t support that shyt lol.
Still grammy nominated and doing numbers over time which I don't foresee for chloe.
A more traditionalized R&B artist isn't going to be concerned with first week numbers, pop artists and more controversial ones would.
jilla82
Veteran
a man wrote that!? 
If you wanna know the dynamic of why she’s failing go to the Twitter page of an onlyfans chick or chick who thirst traps. All the pics will have likes and comments. The MINUTE she posts just some random thought, there’s NO ENGAGEMENT 
She will have 100k followers and that shyt will literally get 2 likes
That’s where people are with her. She been tryin to be a ‘good girl sellin sex’ for a year now, you have a random sex scene that you volunteered to show ass cheeks when any other actress gets a body double…get naked bih
Don’t try to sell me music now
She will have 100k followers and that shyt will literally get 2 likesThat’s where people are with her. She been tryin to be a ‘good girl sellin sex’ for a year now, you have a random sex scene that you volunteered to show ass cheeks when any other actress gets a body double…get naked bih
Don’t try to sell me music nowJustin Nitsuj
Superstar
She should cater to her main audience more than trying to reach an audience that already wrote her off. You can't win everyone.
This information has been repeatedly stated since at least Sunday.
I am glad I am not a celebrity. It’s like a permanent echo chamber you can never escape.
Because now, a mf like me .. who never knew any of this or cared… now ONLY knows this.. and care even less.
But I decided to listen to “cheat back”
What is actually wrong with it? It sounds like she needs to just keep doing what she doing the machine will take care of her. She gonna get new fans since the old ones fell in love with someone she never was.
Song isn’t my style but musically it literally sounds like the type of shyt that usually gets AirPlay.
Another theory that I have as well is when people are trying to reinvent themselves, for better or for worse, they need to retreat from the public eye. And just grind from the bottom up again. When you already viewed as one way, and then you switch up abruptly, it could go really bad
I am glad I am not a celebrity. It’s like a permanent echo chamber you can never escape.
Because now, a mf like me .. who never knew any of this or cared… now ONLY knows this.. and care even less.
But I decided to listen to “cheat back”
What is actually wrong with it? It sounds like she needs to just keep doing what she doing the machine will take care of her. She gonna get new fans since the old ones fell in love with someone she never was.
Song isn’t my style but musically it literally sounds like the type of shyt that usually gets AirPlay.
Another theory that I have as well is when people are trying to reinvent themselves, for better or for worse, they need to retreat from the public eye. And just grind from the bottom up again. When you already viewed as one way, and then you switch up abruptly, it could go really bad
We all said the same thing in the various threads about herSpot on
I'm gonna do my best to explain why I think Chloe is flopping musically. Keep in mind that this just my opinion, and also that I love her and her sister and really wish she wasn't flopping.
So I think the problem she's facing is that she wishes she had an audience that she doesn't have. Because Chloe X Halle made music from the perspective of young women who had some sense, and they were signed to Beyonce and had supportive parents, they both ended up garnering a fanbase of people who have sense. Chloe however, wants desperately to tap into the "we don't have no sense" market, but the "no sense" audience has already dubbed her lame because she appears to have sense.
So she HAS an audience full of people who want to see her win and want to see her make music from the perspective of a self actualized young woman with some kinda self esteem. But because she WANTS the audience of people who love toxic relationships and watch Zeus Network all day, she releases music about happily getting cheated on and standing by her man. She releases music about "cheating back" after she is cheated on. She makes songs with known abuser Chris Brown and known womanizer Future because the audience she WANTS are the people who thrive in chaos and dysfunction. But the chaos audience already don't like her.
So all she ends up doing is making music that her actual audience don't really connect to, and that her desired audience don't want to hear FROM HER. If Saweetie and Summer Walker made "Cheat Back" it would be a hit. But from Chloe its just like... girl what is you doing?
I tried to listen to her album, and a song started with her speaking "Have you ever wondered... who else your man is fukking?" And I knew this was not the album for me. I do hope that the chaos legion from zeus network starts to believe that she actually is as toxic as they are so that she can have the audience that she actually wants though. Still wish her the best of luck.
Piff Perkins
Veteran
People keep trying to turn this into some moralist issue as if SZA didn't have the #1 album in the country for ten weeks straight. The problem is simply that she can't find a hit, she doesn't really have a fanbase, and her image isn't garnering anything beyond attention. Singing about cheating and fukk nikkas is fine. Clearly that stuff is extremely popular today (again, see: SZA). But she could have come out with a bunch of ballads, love, and heartbreak songs and would have bombed the exact same if she didn't have a hit so...can we stop acting like sex is the problem please.
I would compare the era r&b/pop is in to gangsta rap circa the early 90s. There's a certain sound, subject matter, and delivery that is expected today by listeners. Doesn't mean the "thot rap/r&b" is the only way to go, it's simply the dominant way. But a hit is a hit and that changes the convo. I wasn't around at the time but looking back, Run DMC looked pretty corny in 1993 dressing in all black and pretending to be hard. But guess what: Down With The King was a hit, and the album went gold.
This shyt is driven by hits. If you're chasing hits you're gonna fail though. I think Chloe needs better songwriters and needs to be more open to the type of tracks she's willing to do, VS chasing a specific sound. I get the impression if she had been given something like Ella Mai's Trip, she'd consider not doing it because it didn't sound like xyz. But that song was a smash hit, in an era of SZA and Summer Walker.
I would compare the era r&b/pop is in to gangsta rap circa the early 90s. There's a certain sound, subject matter, and delivery that is expected today by listeners. Doesn't mean the "thot rap/r&b" is the only way to go, it's simply the dominant way. But a hit is a hit and that changes the convo. I wasn't around at the time but looking back, Run DMC looked pretty corny in 1993 dressing in all black and pretending to be hard. But guess what: Down With The King was a hit, and the album went gold.
This shyt is driven by hits. If you're chasing hits you're gonna fail though. I think Chloe needs better songwriters and needs to be more open to the type of tracks she's willing to do, VS chasing a specific sound. I get the impression if she had been given something like Ella Mai's Trip, she'd consider not doing it because it didn't sound like xyz. But that song was a smash hit, in an era of SZA and Summer Walker.
Diondon
Thanks to the lawyers uh, I marbled the foyer
Yall gon make her double down tryna convince yall she's a hoe 
Nude leaks on the way
Nude leaks on the way
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The cookie cutter mentality definitely doesn't help, but I honestly don't know if it's all super driven by hits, you can gain compound interest if you're just consistent and not putting too many eggs into one basket. If I reworked her strategy I'd cut the big budget features and just release 3/4 short projects in a year and see if she can gain more of a core fanbase like weeknd did coming up
