Brehs,why isnt Kurt Warner mentioned when talking top QB's?

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A qb with 3 good seasons is a hall of famer is wild to me
Its ridiculous. Its like, let's ask the question this way:

If I told you a guy had the talent and peak of Brett Favre, and had a historically high 3-year run (a la 90s Favre), but that said guy played a dozen years and those 3 years was basically it for him, is that guy a Hall of Famer? 3 outta 12 years? When the actual Brett Favre had a decade of being an ELITE quarterback?

If I want to be generous to his Canton candidacy, I'd tell you that in the end of his career, he had two comeback seasons where he played at a Top 5-ish level. He wasn't anything close to his peak 7 to 10 years earlier, but his last two years he played at a Top 5 level.

I also would tell you that at his peak HE WAS THE QUARTERBACK of quite possibly the biggest choke in NFL history. It never gets brought up when people mention his name.

Then I tell you that for 7 of his 12 years, he was literally everything, from mid, to fukking AWFUL, and got benched for Eli gotdamn Manning.

I lay this career out for you, all of which are objective facts, and is this still a Hall player?

What the Hall Of Fame committee told us by letting Warner in, is that they value the ring and peak over everything else. They lowered the bar, and when they let Eli in, they'll lower it some more---->at least Warner was a better player than Eli.
 

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Yes he had loaded teams in his prime. But its what he did with them.

We saw Peyton have loaded offenses for literally 90% of his seasons and still shyt the bed CONSTANTLY and have just 1 great playoff win between two unimpressive super bowls

Big Brn had the killer bees and couldn't even make a super bowl with them

KURT WAS MONEY in tbe playoffs. That counts for something
 

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Yes he had loaded teams in his prime. But its what he did with them.

We saw Peyton have loaded offenses for literally 90% of his seasons and still shyt the bed CONSTANTLY and have just 1 great playoff win between two unimpressive super bowls

Big Brn had the killer bees and couldn't even make a super bowl with them

KURT WAS MONEY in tbe playoffs. That counts for something
People only remember Warner's great games but remember all of Manning's bad games 🤣 crazy because Manning was better and by far the more consistently great player.

I'll give him a pass because the '99 Bucs D was historically great, and that was a classic game, but he was not money in the '99 NFC Championship Game. I remember watching this, but again a defense like that can give you a pass, right?

Should Manning get a pass for losing to the greatest defense of all time in '13?

I also remember the '00 Wild Card game when the Saints upset the Rams, tell you how much I remember it, if I'm not mistaken it was the Saints first playoff win ever. And they were a 30+ year old franchise at that point. Gunslinger Warner was hit alot that game and kept throwing it to Saints, that game at the time was a big deal. Rams heavy favorites, Saints first playoff win.

The '01 NFC Championship was a classic, that was basically the arrival of the Andy Reid Eagles. Warner was "good" in that game but it was far from a "money" game, the greatest running back ever had one of the greatest playoff games ever and won that game for the Rams.

He was not good in the '01 Super Bowl. He threw for a lot of yards on some Padford shyt, but that Patriots defense had him rattled from jump. The Greatest Show On Turf scored 17 points.

His very last playoff game vs the Saints in '09, he was bad.

Warner's reputation as a "money" performer largely come from the '08 playoff run (his best front to back playoff run and what I would call arguably the greatest front to back postseason ever), and his performance in the '99 Super Bowl. They count, I just don't like how people act like the rest of his career don't matter. Mf's conveniently forget his bad games or weren't around to watch em


Warner's legacy is aided greatly by, there was a time he had the most passing yards in a Super Bowl, most passing yards in a playoff game, and most passing yards in a playoff run. I think Brady later passed em all, but when people think Warner, lot of people remember how much of a volume thrower he was.

Manning had some great teams but he didn't have what Warner had in St Louis, thats widely considered a Top 2 offense in NFL history. You're really only putting the late 80s Niners against them.

The fact that Warner set all these records and accolades with them, then fell off a cliff after, was heavily discussed in real time. He was almost out The League, bro. He was fukking terrible for quite a long time.

Manning NEVER had that kinda futility until his final season.
 

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I forgot loser ass nikkas up old ass threads for dumb reasons :heh:


Clearly not my first day here :umad:
I came across a great game by Warner posted on IG and rather than create a new thread to share it, I found an old thread and posted it here.

Because that’s what heroes do.


:manny:
 

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Its ridiculous. Its like, let's ask the question this way:

If I told you a guy had the talent and peak of Brett Favre, and had a historically high 3-year run (a la 90s Favre), but that said guy played a dozen years and those 3 years was basically it for him, is that guy a Hall of Famer? 3 outta 12 years? When the actual Brett Favre had a decade of being an ELITE quarterback?

If I want to be generous to his Canton candidacy, I'd tell you that in the end of his career, he had two comeback seasons where he played at a Top 5-ish level. He wasn't anything close to his peak 7 to 10 years earlier, but his last two years he played at a Top 5 level.

I also would tell you that at his peak HE WAS THE QUARTERBACK of quite possibly the biggest choke in NFL history. It never gets brought up when people mention his name.

Then I tell you that for 7 of his 12 years, he was literally everything, from mid, to fukking AWFUL, and got benched for Eli gotdamn Manning.

I lay this career out for you, all of which are objective facts, and is this still a Hall player?

What the Hall Of Fame committee told us by letting Warner in, is that they value the ring and peak over everything else. They lowered the bar, and when they let Eli in, they'll lower it some more---->at least Warner was a better player than Eli.
damn, these dudes were 14 pt favourites
 

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damn, these dudes were 14 pt favourites
Bro until the Undefeated Pat's lost in '07, that '01 Super Bowl was widely considered the biggest choke ever. Brady, Belichick, and the Patriots are bigger brands, then they turned around and lost as heavy favorites to the same team again 4 years later, so their chokes gets top billing but even now if you really have a discussion on biggest upsets in NFL history, the St Louis Rams losing to the Patriots is right there.

The Rams had fukking college odds to beat the Patriots. Everybody and they mama thought the Rams were gonna blow these nikkas out.

Watching the game everybody was trying to figure out why the offense sucked so fukking bad. Warner missing guys, elite receivers getting no separation, Faulk no running lanes. Martz took a TON of heat for scary play calling after the fact. Warner turning it over multiple times.

This was an offense that EVERYBODY in real time knew was arguably the greatest offense ever, and they got knocked off. They played scared. It was something to watch. The Rams defense was not a great unit and neither was the Pats offense, but The Greatest Show On Turf made the '01 Patriots defense look like the '86 Giants D or something 🤣

I just hate sports revisionism in general. Kurt Warner was a great quarterback for a few years of his career. At his peak his game and firepower was similar to Favre. But that was only a few years stretch and he played with unbelievable offensive talent.

Them choking the Super Bowl the year after they choked the Wold Card game down in New Orleans, ended the Greatest Show On Turf. Two straight years we saw those mf's play below par, their peak as a team was that first year (1999). But none of these things get brought up when people mention Kurt Warner.

Great guy with a historically high peak but he just wasn't great enough, for long enough, to be a real Hall Of Famer. And when he was bad, he really fukking sucked. Imagine being so mid you get benched for Eli Manning...
 

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Yes he had loaded teams in his prime. But its what he did with them.

We saw Peyton have loaded offenses for literally 90% of his seasons and still shyt the bed CONSTANTLY and have just 1 great playoff win between two unimpressive super bowls

Big Brn had the killer bees and couldn't even make a super bowl with them

KURT WAS MONEY in tbe playoffs. That counts for something
I just read your comment again and had to respond again to the "its what he did with them" part.

Its basically how people say LeBron underachieved with the Heatles, but in reverse. Warner's Greatest Show On Turf was supposed to be a dynasty. Yet they choked a Wild Card game to a franchise that had never won a playoff game, and the next year choked an even bigger game, as even bigger favorites, with NCAA-odds to beat the Pats.

What he did with that loaded teams was underachieve. But it doesnt get spoken of that way.

How Kurt Warner of all people manages to have 60%+ of his career erased from people's memories, is quite a phenomenon. shyt needs to be studied, dawg 🤣
 

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Its ridiculous. Its like, let's ask the question this way:

If I told you a guy had the talent and peak of Brett Favre, and had a historically high 3-year run (a la 90s Favre), but that said guy played a dozen years and those 3 years was basically it for him, is that guy a Hall of Famer? 3 outta 12 years? When the actual Brett Favre had a decade of being an ELITE quarterback?

If I want to be generous to his Canton candidacy, I'd tell you that in the end of his career, he had two comeback seasons where he played at a Top 5-ish level. He wasn't anything close to his peak 7 to 10 years earlier, but his last two years he played at a Top 5 level.

I also would tell you that at his peak HE WAS THE QUARTERBACK of quite possibly the biggest choke in NFL history. It never gets brought up when people mention his name.

Then I tell you that for 7 of his 12 years, he was literally everything, from mid, to fukking AWFUL, and got benched for Eli gotdamn Manning.

I lay this career out for you, all of which are objective facts, and is this still a Hall player?

What the Hall Of Fame committee told us by letting Warner in, is that they value the ring and peak over everything else. They lowered the bar, and when they let Eli in, they'll lower it some more---->at least Warner was a better player than Eli.
im tired of y'all acting like Eli was a bum :mjlol:
 

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I just read your comment again and had to respond again to the "its what he did with them" part.

Its basically how people say LeBron underachieved with the Heatles, but in reverse. Warner's Greatest Show On Turf was supposed to be a dynasty. Yet they choked a Wild Card game to a franchise that had never won a playoff game, and the next year choked an even bigger game, as even bigger favorites, with NCAA-odds to beat the Pats.

What he did with that loaded teams was underachieve. But it doesnt get spoken of that way.

How Kurt Warner of all people manages to have 60%+ of his career erased from people's memories, is quite a phenomenon. shyt needs to be studied, dawg 🤣

COME ON MAN.

THERE ISNT A SPORT IN THE WORLD
WHERE A 2X LEAGUE MVP DOESNT
MAKE THE HOF

THATS JUST INSANITY
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im tired of y'all acting like Eli was a bum :mjlol:
He was...

COME ON MAN.

THERE ISNT A SPORT IN THE WORLD
WHERE A 2X LEAGUE MVP DOESNT
MAKE THE HOF

THATS JUST INSANITY
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While this is true, someone else already pointed out that Faulk should won it. 2001 is an All-Time running back season, 2147 scrimmage yards, 21 TDs, only 3 fumbles on 343 touches. He was the engine that made the Rams go.

Warner got the edge of the votes because he the QB. He had a great season. But not better than Faulk.
 

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He was...

While this is true, someone else already pointed out that Faulk should won it. 2001 is an All-Time running back season, 2147 scrimmage yards, 21 TDs, only 3 fumbles on 343 touches. He was the engine that made the Rams go.

Warner got the edge of the votes because he the QB. He had a great season. But not better than Faulk.

FIRST TRIPLE CROWN
WINNER SINCE 1965 IS AN
ALL TIME QB SEASON

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