Brehs,why isnt Kurt Warner mentioned when talking top QB's?

[Ohene]

Bro until the Undefeated Pat's lost in '07, that '01 Super Bowl was widely considered the biggest choke ever. Brady, Belichick, and the Patriots are bigger brands, then they turned around and lost as heavy favorites to the same team again 4 years later, so their chokes gets top billing but even now if you really have a discussion on biggest upsets in NFL history, the St Louis Rams losing to the Patriots is right there.

The Rams had fukking college odds to beat the Patriots. Everybody and they mama thought the Rams were gonna blow these nikkas out.

Watching the game everybody was trying to figure out why the offense sucked so fukking bad. Warner missing guys, elite receivers getting no separation, Faulk no running lanes. Martz took a TON of heat for scary play calling after the fact. Warner turning it over multiple times.

This was an offense that EVERYBODY in real time knew was arguably the greatest offense ever, and they got knocked off. They played scared. It was something to watch. The Rams defense was not a great unit and neither was the Pats offense, but The Greatest Show On Turf made the '01 Patriots defense look like the '86 Giants D or something

I just hate sports revisionism in general. Kurt Warner was a great quarterback for a few years of his career. At his peak his game and firepower was similar to Favre. But that was only a few years stretch and he played with unbelievable offensive talent.

Them choking the Super Bowl the year after they choked the Wold Card game down in New Orleans, ended the Greatest Show On Turf. Two straight years we saw those mf's play below par, their peak as a team was that first year (1999). But none of these things get brought up when people mention Kurt Warner.

Great guy with a historically high peak but he just wasn't great enough, for long enough, to be a real Hall Of Famer. And when he was bad, he really fukking sucked. Imagine being so mid you get benched for Eli Manning...

i def watched that game but i was so young i didnt know about the background as much outside of the brady shyt.
i remember the titans rams one like it was yday tho

 

[Red Money]

How Kurt Warner of all people manages to have 60%+ of his career erased from people's memories, is quite a phenomenon. shyt needs to be studied, dawg

He broke his hand and was in a slump for 5-6 straight years. Manning, Brady, McNabb, Gannon, Culpeper, Vick, bledsoe, air mcnair, Jeff Garcia, Trent Green, favre, Brees & Aaron Brooks was all balling in 2002....and then each year after Manning, Brady & Brees separated to higher levels and were crazy prolific.

Kurt Warner was an afterthought until he revived himself in 2008. Pro athletes normally don't slump for 5-6yrs and then come out of it...But Warner did.

 

[bigde09]

He was...

there's posts of you saying the opposite don't switch up

 

[KidJSoul]

People only remember Warner's great games but remember all of Manning's bad games crazy because Manning was better and by far the more consistently great player.

I'll give him a pass because the '99 Bucs D was historically great, and that was a classic game, but he was not money in the '99 NFC Championship Game. I remember watching this, but again a defense like that can give you a pass, right?

Should Manning get a pass for losing to the greatest defense of all time in '13?

I also remember the '00 Wild Card game when the Saints upset the Rams, tell you how much I remember it, if I'm not mistaken it was the Saints first playoff win ever. And they were a 30+ year old franchise at that point. Gunslinger Warner was hit alot that game and kept throwing it to Saints, that game at the time was a big deal. Rams heavy favorites, Saints first playoff win.

The '01 NFC Championship was a classic, that was basically the arrival of the Andy Reid Eagles. Warner was "good" in that game but it was far from a "money" game, the greatest running back ever had one of the greatest playoff games ever and won that game for the Rams.

He was not good in the '01 Super Bowl. He threw for a lot of yards on some Padford shyt, but that Patriots defense had him rattled from jump. The Greatest Show On Turf scored 17 points.

His very last playoff game vs the Saints in '09, he was bad.

Warner's reputation as a "money" performer largely come from the '08 playoff run (his best front to back playoff run and what I would call arguably the greatest front to back postseason ever), and his performance in the '99 Super Bowl. They count, I just don't like how people act like the rest of his career don't matter. Mf's conveniently forget his bad games or weren't around to watch em


Warner's legacy is aided greatly by, there was a time he had the most passing yards in a Super Bowl, most passing yards in a playoff game, and most passing yards in a playoff run. I think Brady later passed em all, but when people think Warner, lot of people remember how much of a volume thrower he was.

Manning had some great teams but he didn't have what Warner had in St Louis, thats widely considered a Top 2 offense in NFL history. You're really only putting the late 80s Niners against them.

The fact that Warner set all these records and accolades with them, then fell off a cliff after, was heavily discussed in real time. He was almost out The League, bro. He was fukking terrible for quite a long time.

Manning NEVER had that kinda futility until his final season.

Point is people (including you) try to put Peyton in GOAT discussions.

With Warner, we just say hes hall of fame caliber

Yet they choked a Wild Card game to a franchise that had never won a playoff game, and the next year choked an even bigger game, as even bigger favorites, with NCAA-odds to beat the Pats.

Breh really? His defense sucked that game.

And again, we ain't calling Warner GOAT

The hall of fame recognizes exceptional players. A lot of QBs would not reached tbe peaks Warner did even with his weapons... leading teams to MULTIPLE super bowl appearances, having some great performances, MVPs, etc. That makes him Hall of Fame worthy

 

[murksiderock]

there's posts of you saying the opposite don't switch up

Show me a post where I said Eli is a Hall Of Famer. We gone before waiting a long time but if you start now, you may find something by tonight. Ready, set, go!

Point is people (including you) try to put Peyton in GOAT discussions.

With Warner, we just say hes hall of fame caliber


Breh really? His defense sucked that game.

And again, we ain't calling Warner GOAT

The hall of fame recognizes exceptional players. A lot of QBs would not reached tbe peaks Warner did even with his weapons... leading teams to MULTIPLE super bowl appearances, having some great performances, MVPs, etc. That makes him Hall of Fame worthy

My position on Manning is clear: he's not the GOAT because he was a routine playoff dropper, and ultimately, above all, that is what keeps him from being the GOAT. Because he's in the short list conversation for most dominant, consistently GREAT regular season quarterback ever.

Warner was Hall caliber for 5 years in a 12 year career. Really its those 3 years in St Louis that make his case, because let's say he had five years like the last two Arizona years, or even if his whole career looked like the Arizona years---->he'd be Philip Rivers. Meaning, we'd have been debating from the outset, if he deserved The Hall.

So its the 3-year run in St Louis that even make it a conversation. And I already said that, he had a historically high peak, but it just wasn't long enough, bruh. Not in a league where even in his era we saw great quarterbacks be great for a decade.

Couple that with the fact that, for more than half his career, he was very mid, or very bad.

I respect his career, he's a rags to riches story. But for me? That was not a Hall of Fame career, bro. 3 great years doesn't fit my standard of Hall Of Fame greatness, and I'm consistent with this bar.

 

[bigde09]

Show me a post where I said Eli is a Hall Of Famer. We gone before waiting a long time but if you start now, you may find something by tonight. Ready, set, go!

I never said you called him a hall of famer.

You just said he’s a bum

You have posts that contradict that. Don’t make me post them

 

[murksiderock]

I never said you called him a hall of famer.

You just said he’s a bum

You have posts that contradict that. Don’t make me post them

I can't remember posting any Eli praise, so post em

He was a very league average quarterback. Basically the equivalent of Trevor Lawrence today. Average QB who had two hot playoff runs and two hot Super Bowls. The rest of his career is hardly memorable.

You're a Giants fan, I don't expect an unbiased take from you