BREXIT - June 23rd 2016 vote - *ARTICLE 50 TRIGGERED!*
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Thought they were suppose to leave before the end of Oct 
Seems silly to me to give it to parliament. If you do that, what's the point of even having a referendum ever for anything?
Apparently the two options for passing something are:
1. Have parliament vote on it in the first place
or
2. Have the people vote on it then parliament votes on it
So, at the end of the day all of this Brexit campaigning and stuff was dependent on a parliament vote anyway? The whole purpose of referendum is to replace a government vote and give the people the choice instead.
Parliament already voted to HAVE the referendum. It's not like parliament had no say in this. They could've blocked the referendum but they voted to give the right to the people.
Apparently the two options for passing something are:
1. Have parliament vote on it in the first place
or
2. Have the people vote on it then parliament votes on it
So, at the end of the day all of this Brexit campaigning and stuff was dependent on a parliament vote anyway? The whole purpose of referendum is to replace a government vote and give the people the choice instead.
Parliament already voted to HAVE the referendum. It's not like parliament had no say in this. They could've blocked the referendum but they voted to give the right to the people.
Arrogance.
King Novak of Melbourne, the First of His Name
Thought they were suppose to leave before the end of Oct
That was never going to happen, Cameron did say he would immediately trigger Article 50 during the run up to the referendum vote. As soon as it came in, he knew his position was untenable and he resigned. Britain wants the best deal available to them, which is why they're taking so long to get to negotiations while not actually going for a(n extremely) hard Brexit.
Some gems in here
bump. reading this reminds me of Nov 9th
Globalists taking massive L's this year.
We still have the Austria election and Italy referendum before the end of 2016 too.
yeah I just started looking into the Austrian elections too.Globalists taking massive L's this year.
We still have the Austria election and Italy referendum before the end of 2016 too.
its like the west is going back to pre wwII
Philip Hammond conceded that Brexit will blow a £59bn black hole in the public finances over the next five years, as he outlined plans to boost investment in infrastructure and housing to equip the UK economy for life outside the EU.
In his first fiscal statement, the chancellor, who had supported remain, sought to strike a cautiously upbeat tone about the country’s prospects, saying the economy had “confounded commentators at home and abroad with its strength and its resilience” since the referendum result last June.
But the first official projections conducted after the vote of the likely impact of leaving the EU pointed to significantly weaker growth after Brexit.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) announced that there would be a cumulative £122bn of extra borrowing over the next five years, with £59bn of that as a direct result of Brexit. Other factors included weaker-than-expected tax revenues, and policy changes, including Hammond’s decision to spend more on infrastructure.
George Osborne was expecting to achieve a surplus of £11bn on the public finances by 2020-21; instead, the OBR is now forecasting a £21bn deficit – and public debt is expected to peak at more than 90% of GDP.
With little cash to spare, Hammond offered only modest handouts to the “just about managing” families (Jams) Theresa May’s government had said it wanted to help, although he repeatedly used the mantra of “building an economy that works for everyone”.
The chancellor announced a renewed freeze in fuel duty, to help motorists – largely paid for with an increase in insurance premium tax from 10% to 12% – and a partial reversal of planned cuts to universal credit.
But Labour said there was no cash for either the NHS or social care, which are under increasing strain with winter approaching. Instead, the main thrust of Hammond’s first set-piece outing at the dispatch box was how to help Britain withstand the challenges of leaving the EU.
Read more
Instead of a headline-grabbing gimmick, Hammond ended his speech with the surprise announcement that he had delivered the final autumn statement. In future, budgets will be held annually in the autumn, with a more slimmed-down update in the spring, meaning that there would be two budgets in 2017.
Hammond told the Commons that the Brexit vote “makes more urgent than ever the need to tackle our economy’s long-term weaknesses, like the productivity gap, the housing challenge, and the damaging imbalance in economic growth and prosperity across our country”.
The chancellor added: “In the real world, it takes a German worker four days to produce what we make in five; which means, in turn, that too many British workers work longer hours for lower pay than their counterparts.”
Hammond said he would set aside £23bn over the next five years, to be spent on areas such as new housing projects and hi-tech research, funded by extra borrowing. A Treasury spokesman, lifting a phrase more commonly used by Labour, said “he is borrowing to invest”.
Labour pointed out that other policies, including a ban on letting agents’ fees, were taken from its 2015 manifesto, as Theresa May’s government deliberately takes a more interventionist approach to what it regards as failing markets.
Hammond also promised to take another look at the household energy market, where consumer groups have repeatedly warned customers are being ripped off.
In a sign that the government expects the public finances to continue to be fragile, the chancellor also hinted that costly pledges, including the “triple-lock” on pensions, would have to be reviewed before the Conservatives draw up their manifesto for the next general election.
“As we look ahead to the next parliament, we will need to ensure we tackle the challenges of rising longevity and fiscal sustainability,” Hammond said. “And so the government will review public spending priorities and other commitments for the next parliament in light of the evolving fiscal position at the next spending review.”
Peter Dixon, UK economist at Commerzbank, said: “The government remains hamstrung by its desire to further reduce the fiscal deficit at the same time as Brexit-related uncertainty is likely to rise. For this reason, it will prove difficult to help the Jams who suffered under George Osborne’s tenure as chancellor.”
The OBR warned that Brexit would lead to weaker growth and lower tax receipts, because of higher inflation, slower immigration, and a decade-long slowdown in trade growth. It has assumed “that the negotiation of new trading arrangements with the EU and others slows the pace of import and export growth for the next 10 years”.
In total, the OBR said it expected the chancellor to have to borrow an extra £122bn over the next five years – with almost half of that, £59bn, attributable to the impact of Brexit. Austerity is now expected to continue into the next parliament: more than a decade after Osborne promised to tackle the deficit run up during the financial crisis.
The OBR said it had been forced to base its forecasts on “broad-brush judgments” about the likely path of Brexit, because of the lack of clarity from the government. It asked for “a formal statement of government policy as regards its desired trade regime and system of migration control,” but the government directed it to public statements from Theresa May, who has repeatedly refused to give a “running commentary” on Brexit.
OBR projections also showed economic growth sliding to 1.4% in 2017, from the 2.2% the OBR was expecting in March, before recovering to 2.1% by 2020. But the OBR warned that there was more uncertainty than usual surrounding its forecasts – and some commentators suggested there could be worse to come.
With the public finances expected to deteriorate, Hammond could have made emergency spending cuts; but instead he formally abandoned George Osborne’s target of dragging the public finances back into the black by the end of this parliament in 2019-20, and introduced new, looser tax and spending rules.
Under the new framework, the budget deficit is now not expected to be eliminated until some time in the next parliament. In the autumn statement “green book”, the Treasury said its approach “strikes the right balance between restoring the public finances to health in the medium term whilst providing sufficient flexibility to support the economy in the near term”.
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
In his first fiscal statement, the chancellor, who had supported remain, sought to strike a cautiously upbeat tone about the country’s prospects, saying the economy had “confounded commentators at home and abroad with its strength and its resilience” since the referendum result last June.
But the first official projections conducted after the vote of the likely impact of leaving the EU pointed to significantly weaker growth after Brexit.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) announced that there would be a cumulative £122bn of extra borrowing over the next five years, with £59bn of that as a direct result of Brexit. Other factors included weaker-than-expected tax revenues, and policy changes, including Hammond’s decision to spend more on infrastructure.
George Osborne was expecting to achieve a surplus of £11bn on the public finances by 2020-21; instead, the OBR is now forecasting a £21bn deficit – and public debt is expected to peak at more than 90% of GDP.
With little cash to spare, Hammond offered only modest handouts to the “just about managing” families (Jams) Theresa May’s government had said it wanted to help, although he repeatedly used the mantra of “building an economy that works for everyone”.
The chancellor announced a renewed freeze in fuel duty, to help motorists – largely paid for with an increase in insurance premium tax from 10% to 12% – and a partial reversal of planned cuts to universal credit.
But Labour said there was no cash for either the NHS or social care, which are under increasing strain with winter approaching. Instead, the main thrust of Hammond’s first set-piece outing at the dispatch box was how to help Britain withstand the challenges of leaving the EU.
Read more
Instead of a headline-grabbing gimmick, Hammond ended his speech with the surprise announcement that he had delivered the final autumn statement. In future, budgets will be held annually in the autumn, with a more slimmed-down update in the spring, meaning that there would be two budgets in 2017.
Hammond told the Commons that the Brexit vote “makes more urgent than ever the need to tackle our economy’s long-term weaknesses, like the productivity gap, the housing challenge, and the damaging imbalance in economic growth and prosperity across our country”.
The chancellor added: “In the real world, it takes a German worker four days to produce what we make in five; which means, in turn, that too many British workers work longer hours for lower pay than their counterparts.”
Hammond said he would set aside £23bn over the next five years, to be spent on areas such as new housing projects and hi-tech research, funded by extra borrowing. A Treasury spokesman, lifting a phrase more commonly used by Labour, said “he is borrowing to invest”.
Labour pointed out that other policies, including a ban on letting agents’ fees, were taken from its 2015 manifesto, as Theresa May’s government deliberately takes a more interventionist approach to what it regards as failing markets.
Hammond also promised to take another look at the household energy market, where consumer groups have repeatedly warned customers are being ripped off.
In a sign that the government expects the public finances to continue to be fragile, the chancellor also hinted that costly pledges, including the “triple-lock” on pensions, would have to be reviewed before the Conservatives draw up their manifesto for the next general election.
“As we look ahead to the next parliament, we will need to ensure we tackle the challenges of rising longevity and fiscal sustainability,” Hammond said. “And so the government will review public spending priorities and other commitments for the next parliament in light of the evolving fiscal position at the next spending review.”
Peter Dixon, UK economist at Commerzbank, said: “The government remains hamstrung by its desire to further reduce the fiscal deficit at the same time as Brexit-related uncertainty is likely to rise. For this reason, it will prove difficult to help the Jams who suffered under George Osborne’s tenure as chancellor.”
The OBR warned that Brexit would lead to weaker growth and lower tax receipts, because of higher inflation, slower immigration, and a decade-long slowdown in trade growth. It has assumed “that the negotiation of new trading arrangements with the EU and others slows the pace of import and export growth for the next 10 years”.
In total, the OBR said it expected the chancellor to have to borrow an extra £122bn over the next five years – with almost half of that, £59bn, attributable to the impact of Brexit. Austerity is now expected to continue into the next parliament: more than a decade after Osborne promised to tackle the deficit run up during the financial crisis.
The OBR said it had been forced to base its forecasts on “broad-brush judgments” about the likely path of Brexit, because of the lack of clarity from the government. It asked for “a formal statement of government policy as regards its desired trade regime and system of migration control,” but the government directed it to public statements from Theresa May, who has repeatedly refused to give a “running commentary” on Brexit.
OBR projections also showed economic growth sliding to 1.4% in 2017, from the 2.2% the OBR was expecting in March, before recovering to 2.1% by 2020. But the OBR warned that there was more uncertainty than usual surrounding its forecasts – and some commentators suggested there could be worse to come.
With the public finances expected to deteriorate, Hammond could have made emergency spending cuts; but instead he formally abandoned George Osborne’s target of dragging the public finances back into the black by the end of this parliament in 2019-20, and introduced new, looser tax and spending rules.
Under the new framework, the budget deficit is now not expected to be eliminated until some time in the next parliament. In the autumn statement “green book”, the Treasury said its approach “strikes the right balance between restoring the public finances to health in the medium term whilst providing sufficient flexibility to support the economy in the near term”.
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Parliament voted to trigger Article 50
498-114.
Corbyn made shadow ministers resign who voted against the bill.
But the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats opposed the bill, while 47 Labour MPs and Tory ex-chancellor Ken Clarke rebelled.
Brexit: MPs overwhelmingly back Article 50 bill - BBC News
Full details of the Labour rebellion
Here are the key figures that show the size of the Labour rebellion tonight.
498-114.
Corbyn made shadow ministers resign who voted against the bill.
But the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats opposed the bill, while 47 Labour MPs and Tory ex-chancellor Ken Clarke rebelled.
Brexit: MPs overwhelmingly back Article 50 bill - BBC News
Full details of the Labour rebellion
Here are the key figures that show the size of the Labour rebellion tonight.
- 47 Labour MPs defied the whip and voted against the article 50 bill on second reading. That’s 20% of the parliamentary party.
- Three members of the shadow cabinet resigned so that the could vote against the bill. They are: Jo Stevens, the shadow Welsh secretary, Rachael Maskell, the shadow environment secretary, and Dawn Butler, shadow minister for BME communities.
- Four frontbenchers resigned so they could vote against the bill. They are the three shadow cabinet ministers and Tulip Siddiq, who was shadow early years minister.
- Another 10 shadow ministers voted against the bill but so far have not resigned. The nine shadow ministers are: Kevin Brennan (culture), Ruth Cadbury (housing), Alan Whitehead (energy), Rupa Huq (crime prevention), Stephen Pound (Northern Ireland), Andy Slaughter (housing), Catherine West (Foreign Office), Daneil Zeichner (transport), Rosena Allin-Khan (culture) and Lyn Brown (policing).
- And three whips also voted against bull but have so far not resigned. They are Thangam Debonnaire, Vicky Foxcroft and Jeff Smith.
- A total of 17 Labour frontbenchers (shadow ministers and whips) either resigned over the vote or defied the whip.
