BREXIT - June 23rd 2016 vote - *ARTICLE 50 TRIGGERED!*

[hashmander]

there is no precedent if scotland is in the EU after separating from a non-EU country. there would have been one if scotland voted for independence in 2014 and then were talking about joining the EU while britain is still a member.

if spain wants to leave the EU, i'm sure the EU would accept an independent catalonia. that would be the precedent that a newly independent scotland would set.

 

[mbewane]

It's not about logistics. Spain and a few other European countries as well don't want Scotland to separate and get back in the EU because it will embolden other separatist movements like Catalonia

We know that.

But if Scotland holds its referendum and becomes independent, it's a sovereign state that can reapply to enter the EU. Spain would then have to veto that entry, but I'm pretty sure the majority of EU members would put pressure on them not to. There would be no objective reason for Scotland not to re-enter the EU as a new member. It's the same discussion that happened when Flanders was moving more towards independence. Catalonia doesn't need anything to embolden them, unlike the UK the independent movement is well-organized and level-headed, the reason they haven't gone all the way is precisely because the economic consequences are still uncertain. What I'm saying is that Catalonia is unlikely to do anything out of populist passion.

I understand Scotland's logic, they're being dragged out of the EU by England, while England itself doens't know to manage the referendum's consequences. Boris Johnson choking at the idea of becoming PM shows how unprepared the "Leave" camp is.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Im convinced if they re-did this, the remain would win. I honestly don't get how you could even allow a vote like this. I just dont think the population is capable of making such decisions.

 

[Leasy]

Im convinced if they re-did this, the remain would win. I honestly don't get how you could even allow a vote like this. I just dont think the population is capable of making such decisions.

True indeed shyt is do dumb

 

[hashmander]

that would be like having a vote in america to break up into individual states. there is a chance such a vote to break up might actually win. texas and these southern states would be like we can finally get the jackbooted feds off our backs and set their own immigration policy, etc. california, new york and other rich states might say we're tired of sending more money to the federal govt than we back. it would be so stupid, but you can see how an emotional populace could be swayed by some liars.

 

[mbewane]

Im convinced if they re-did this, the remain would win. I honestly don't get how you could even allow a vote like this. I just dont think the population is capable of making such decisions.

They had ample time to inform themselves on the EU. We're not talking about some 3rd world war-ridden country where only 20 % of the population knows how to read.

The point is that UK has been shytting on the EU at every single occasion they could, and this for years. They have acted like they're "special" and have tried since 73 to have the benefits of being in with as little duties as possible. This is not a surprise, it's the logical consequence of the UK's attitude towards the EU (and Europe in general) since forever.

They gambled on some "Let's show the EU we're serious about leaving, so we can use that as leverage to get more opt-outs and further hinder EU integration", no one forced Cameron/Johnson/Farage to go that direction, and no one forced all those people to vote "Leave".

 

[Tony D'Amato]

that would be like having a vote in america to break up into individual states. there is a chance such a vote to break up might actually win. texas and these southern states would be like we can finally get the jackbooted feds off our backs and set their own immigration policy, etc. california, new york and other rich states might say we're tired of sending more money to the federal govt than we back. it would be so stupid, but you can see how an emotional populace could be swayed by some liars.

China, North Korea, Putin, Iran and probably every Muslim country throwing in money to back the separatist. It would be ads everywhere.

I can't even imagine the fukkery

 

[Tony D'Amato]

They had ample time to inform themselves on the EU. We're not talking about some 3rd world war-ridden country where only 20 % of the population knows how to read.

The point is that UK has been shytting on the EU at every single occasion they could, and this for years. They have acted like they're "special" and have tried since 73 to have the benefits of being in with as little duties as possible. This is not a surprise, it's the logical consequence of the UK's attitude towards the EU (and Europe in general) since forever.

They gambled on some "Let's show the EU we're serious about leaving, so we can use that as leverage to get more opt-outs and further hinder EU integration", no one forced Cameron/Johnson/Farage to go that direction, and no one forced all those people to vote "Leave".

Breh, its apparent at least 1% of the leave vote were clueless as fukk. I doubt everyone voted. There is no way this was thought thru. Eventually, jobs will be lost and thats going to be very interesting.

 

[hashmander]

China, North Korea, Putin, Iran and probably every Muslim country throwing in money to back the separatist. It would be ads everywhere.

I can't even imagine the fukkery

they'll be telling blacks we can get our own state. hispanics can have new mexico or arizona or some shyt. california might then vote to further break up into north and south, so silicon valley doesn't have to share with the south. all sorts of selfish retardedness.

 

[Scoop]

I understand the situation between Scotland and Catalonia aren't identical but the point still stands, it's not a good look for the continent for the EU to be rewarding separatist movements with membership. It doesn't lend itself to stability of the continent.

They EU may very well let Scotland in, that doesn't mean Spain and any other country dealing with separatist movements aren't right for protesting it.

Remember, Scotland tried to break away before Brexit but it failed. Should the EU let them in if they break away after Brexit but not if they had broken away before?

Full disclosure: I'm biased because I have family from/in Spain and they don't want to see Catalonia break away.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

they'll be telling blacks we can get our own state. hispanics can have new mexico or arizona or some shyt. california might then vote to further break up into north and south, so silicon valley doesn't have to share with the south. all sorts of selfish retardedness.

Individual cities wanting independence from the state. Houston, San Antonio, and probably Austin would want independence from the Texas nutjobs.

Miami like, we out too. NEW YorkCity has always pretended to be its on country, now they can vote om actually becoming a country of its own

 

[Starman]

Im convinced if they re-did this, the remain would win. I honestly don't get how you could even allow a vote like this. I just dont think the population is capable of making such decisions.

What kind of government are you advocating?

 

[theworldismine13]

that would be like having a vote in america to break up into individual states. there is a chance such a vote to break up might actually win. texas and these southern states would be like we can finally get the jackbooted feds off our backs and set their own immigration policy, etc. california, new york and other rich states might say we're tired of sending more money to the federal govt than we back. it would be so stupid, but you can see how an emotional populace could be swayed by some liars.

Hmm not really, it would be more like if there was a vote to join the North American Union North American Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would you vote yes to joining a hypothetical North American Union?

Joining a hypothetical NAU is saying that you are giving up sovereignty to a joint commission made up of Americans, Canadians and Mexicans, there would be open borders between all three countries and there would be 3 official languages

That's basically what the EU is

 

[mbewane]

Breh, its apparent at least 1% of the leave vote were clueless as fukk. I doubt everyone voted. There is no way this was thought thru. Eventually, jobs will be lost and thats going to be very interesting.

Well that's democracy, and the result of pushing populists to the forefront. Why did Farage become a force in the UK? Why did Cameron jeopardize his country by organizing the referendum? Where were the campaigners for the "Remain" camp? We already know the answers.

All of this just shows udnerlying issues and political opinions that have been in the UK for much longer. This was just the perfect opportunity for the xenophobes to come out.

It's too easy to brush aside this result on saying "they didn't know". Ignorance might be bliss, but not in politics. You have a vote, it's up to you to use as a reasonable adult. And live with the consequences. And if they DIDN'T bother to go vote, well, yeah, fukk they have to live with consequences too. Reminds me of people who were "shocked" that JM Le Pen made it to 2nd round in the 2002, only to admit later they hadn't even bothered to vote in the first round

 

[Scoop]

while England itself doens't know to manage the referendum's consequences. Boris Johnson choking at the idea of becoming PM shows how unprepared the "Leave" camp is.

There's plenty of people running for PM including Michael Gove who along with Boris was the most prominent LEAVE person.

Boris was being criticized during the campaign for only doing this to become PM. He proved them wrong but apparently it was a lose-lose for him if people are now going to criticize him for NOT taking power too.