Cam is a top 5 Rapper from last 15 years

[The Ruler 09]

What does this mean? Out of rappers that came 98 or after?

If so then not to me...

Brother Ali
Immortal Technique
Cormega
Z-Ro
Talib Kweli
Last Emperor
Saigon

And some others come to mind off the top too.

 

[Mac Casper]

Cam been doing this more than 15 years

 

[mrken12]

So basically this thread is about the upliftment of Cam.lol

We gon let y'all have that... Happy Thanksgiving

But tomorrow, y'all still gonna have do deal with that his material has been gawd awful for the last 7yrs

No. They'll still deny it.

 

[the rhyme king]

Cam been doing this more than 15 years

op can't even count

 

[Art Barr]

I'm up for that. I'll have to listen to the records again thou, which will take a long time. But I'll come back to the thread and give my analysis. Who knows, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by some dope shyt?

That's a pretty narrow category you are putting him in. Best from a former platinum mainstream perspective? Who else is even in that category? Off the top of my head I'd say Nas and Prodigy have been better since 03.

Jada is another guy that's nice on the mic but doesn't have a classic album to speak of.

Also, did anyone mention MF Doom over the past 15 years? 2 classics. Obviously we gotta ignore the KMD stuff to put him in this category...

nas and prodigy are no longer technically sound
Consistently bar to bar.
Technically, they are nowhere near cam as a technical marvel in the past decade of 2oo4-2o13.
That i cite cam as the best actual former plat emcee in the past decade.
Plus, out of that....
Nas's name does not belong.
As he has not had one actual good retail release, that expanded upon the advance.
Which is the same bait and switch style of records he sold in the jiggy/sales spike fraud era.
Which damaged him as a quality name, and almost made it so jay could wipe the floor with him.
Plus, needed bait and switch pr and marketing.
to cover up his fall off in skill, and quality record making.
prodigy, if not for the lack of technical prowess and never re-ramping up all the way.
in sacrifice for style, over an attention to technical ability.
After falling off on his own.
Still has an excellent discography.
One, nas in comparison discography wise has not been able to recreate in comparable quality.
Nas, is not anywhere as consistent an artist.
in quality comparison to the workrate of his contemporaries in the nineties, in the past decade.
He pales in comparison to the best mainstream former platinum guys in discography in the last decade who have stayed active and made highEr quality work, in larger volume.

His discography is not near the cam's, jada's[a few classics and the most technically advanced solo rap album this decade on a major.], styles[was in a classic mixtape streak for years], busta's[released the highest output of classic mixtapes in bulk with raekwon on ge low], raekwon[ one of the definitive mixtape discographies and the definitive album of the past decade and this gen], roc's, prodigy, or even fiddy's and banks.
Nor is his discography nearly as robust.
Plus, it features nas's becoming incredibly offkey as the sonic landscapes for rap changed.
His better contemporaries of the past decade never had those issues.
Plus, never ducked a battle they precipitated going into that period.
Nas started this past decade we are talembout with a career defeat.
After, his career win.
So, how is nas in this discussion.
When, he did not do anything near what prodigy did skillwise or song quality wise.
After losing a battle and his song quality became highly questionable.
Plus, after bpiii....
people should have issue with nas's direction and skillset as it pertains to quality.

Art Barr

When, it comes to kmd...
kmd had classics like he was supposed to in his debut, on peach fuzz.
To the point even I used his terminology on my own records. As mf dooM, I would say his output where others give him his nod.
Happened in the segue way to the 2o00's, to a few years in the period we are talembout.
Plus, kmd/mf dokm has faked jax when it comes to performing .
Of which I was personally there to see.
As the mf doom impersonator rocked at a show where vakill had a toothache.
So, I really can not vouch for mf doom, all the way.
Plus, mf is not a former platinum selling mainstream viable artist.
So, his name is not included in this discussion.
Plus, shows that you may not know the facts or the exact detail to dispute what I am saying.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

One of the funniest things about a lot of Coli posters is that n!ggas will call ANY album a classic just because they like the album or the artist that created it. Cats gotta be objective and stop throwing classic around all willy nilly. There's no excuse for definitively stating that Cam has TWO classic albums. That's just crazy.

I reviewed ph, as a classic and was not a fan or even in the like to cam as an act or emcee.
He was not culturally endorsed in full then.
Till much later after culturally returning to his cultural based pedigree from the dark side.
When, he shows his mettle in the handling of juelz and jim business wise after they sabotaged his public perception in the fiddy battle on purpose.
Also,...cam had raised skill emcee wise from ph to ks, as well.
on top of every bside from ph to ks being a classic.
Plus, the actual tracklisting for ks being of the classic variety, as well.
on top of Making the style more accessible than it was on the ghostface content heavy style, he has used since coc.
that is where two classic come from.
I can say sde is solidly not a clasic record for him.
Plus, skillwise point to why that is as well.
Ph and ks, I can not discredit in the same vein.
Plus, the actual records are classic records.
All the bsides are classic records, and the disses are classic next level hof all time records, too.

So, what are you trying to say.....


Art Barr

 

[TheLoneRanger]

His in my top 5 easy

 

[MINT]

not even top 20

 

[mobbinfms]

To me he does. Purple Haze and SDE are clear cut classics to me. SDE is more a personal classic than a universal one, I will admit that. PH is kinda recognized as a classic in a lot of places though.

So it seems the classic argument is coming down to PH. @Art Barr is the only one saying Killa Season and I think we can all agree the others aren't up to par.
PH is not held in the same regard as universally heralded classics and didn't really have any discernible impact on the game that I can think of. Also, from memory, it was not a consistently excellent record. I think it would be fair to call it a cult classic for the diehard Cam fans and leave it at that.

 

[mobbinfms]

Second half of the album is meh (with the exception of The ROC). Explain for us what is classic about the second half of the album?

 

[mobbinfms]

Not really an excuse. Hipsters really were the only ones claiming that it was manna from Heaven. It got good reviews in traditional hip hop circles but I don't recall anyone calling it a classic but hipsters.

Yeah - I'd like to see the reviews from hip hop publications calling the album classic.

 

[mobbinfms]

If so then not to me...

Brother Ali
Immortal Technique
Cormega
Z-Ro
Talib Kweli
Last Emperor
Saigon

And some others come to mind off the top too.

Mega is a good point. I would say Mos and Kweli as well. Saigon's album was far better then any Cam album.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Second half of the album is meh (with the exception of The ROC). Explain for us what is classic about the second half of the album?

On Fire Tonight is hilarious, soulful and catchy all at the same time
Stop Calling is FIRE, one of the most disrespectful songs I ever heard
I Just Wanna.. the way they flipped that D'Angelo sample and Cam/Juelz chemistry was at an all time high.. shyt is amazing
Dead or Alive is another fire song.. "The way I been treated in this industry, not nicely.. little fakkit motherfukker like Mike Lighty"
The Roc.. nothing needs to be said
Boy Boy is cool, beat is fire
Tomorrow is the only skippable song on that whole album.. and its the last one
U really gonna sit there and tell me any one of those songs with the exception of Tomorrow arent good?
Classic album:blessed2:

 

[mobbinfms]

nas and prodigy are no longer technically sound
Consistently bar to bar.
Technically, they are nowhere near cam as a technical marvel in the past decade of 2oo4-2o13.
That i cite cam as the best actual former plat emcee in the past decade.
Plus, out of that....
Nas's name does not belong.
As he has not had one actual good retail release, that expanded upon the advance.
Which is the same bait and switch style of records he sold in the jiggy/sales spike fraud era.
Which damaged him as a quality name, and almost made it so jay could wipe the floor with him.
Plus, needed bait and switch pr and marketing.
to cover up his fall off in skill, and quality record making.
prodigy, if not for the lack of technical prowess and never re-ramping up all the way.
in sacrifice for style, over an attention to technical ability.
After falling off on his own.
Still has an excellent discography.
One, nas in comparison discography wise has not been able to recreate in comparable quality.
Nas, is not anywhere as consistent an artist.
in quality comparison to the workrate of his contemporaries in the nineties, in the past decade.
He pales in comparison to the best mainstream former platinum guys in discography in the last decade who have stayed active and made highEr quality work, in larger volume.

His discography is not near the cam's, jada's[a few classics and the most technically advanced solo rap album this decade on a major.], styles[was in a classic mixtape streak for years], busta's[released the highest output of classic mixtapes in bulk with raekwon on ge low], raekwon[ one of the definitive mixtape discographies and the definitive album of the past decade and this gen], roc's, prodigy, or even fiddy's and banks.
Nor is his discography nearly as robust.
Plus, it features nas's becoming incredibly offkey as the sonic landscapes for rap changed.
His better contemporaries of the past decade never had those issues.
Plus, never ducked a battle they precipitated going into that period.
Nas started this past decade we are talembout with a career defeat.
After, his career win.
So, how is nas in this discussion.
When, he did not do anything near what prodigy did skillwise or song quality wise.
After losing a battle and his song quality became highly questionable.
Plus, after bpiii....
people should have issue with nas's direction and skillset as it pertains to quality.

Art Barr

When, it comes to kmd...
kmd had classics like he was supposed to in his debut, on peach fuzz.
To the point even I used his terminology on my own records. As mf dooM, I would say his output where others give him his nod.
Happened in the segue way to the 2o00's, to a few years in the period we are talembout.
Plus, kmd/mf dokm has faked jax when it comes to performing .
Of which I was personally there to see.
As the mf doom impersonator rocked at a show where vakill had a toothache.
So, I really can not vouch for mf doom, all the way.
Plus, mf is not a former platinum selling mainstream viable artist.
So, his name is not included in this discussion.
Plus, shows that you may not know the facts or the exact detail to dispute what I am saying.


Art Barr

Nas is definitely still technically sound, although starting with 2003 isn't very flattering for Nas as he had one uneven release after another up to Life is Good which was an excellent record and acknowledged widely as such.

Jada has a few classics? Which albums?
Rae had clunker after clunker up to OBFCL 2.
Banks? You gotta be kidding.
Never was a huge fan of 50, but I have to acknowledge that GRODT was a classic, although I personally disagree.
I dont really pay attention to mix tapes.
Say what you will about battles, but Nas won the one that mattered.
Are you saying Prodigy is technically better than Nas over the past decade?

You obviously did t read what I said about MF Doom closely. I mean I came right out and said why he hadn't been mentioned in the 15 year category! I wasnt including him in the former platinum mainstream category you mentioned. You do never miss the chance to be self righteous prick though. I guess that's just your style.

 

[FreshAIG]

What does this mean? Out of rappers that came 98 or after?

Rappers that debut album came out in 1998 or after, yes