Can an argument be made that todays rappers are more talented than "golden era" rappers??

[dora_da_destroyer]

I don't know shyt about video games.
It's not about respect. It's about...are we even evaluating this shyt the same way? Do we care about the same things? If I'm coming from a late 80s through 96 mindstate and I'm looking for A, B and C...and these kids are looking for XYZ...are we really both listening to hip hop?

Yes...everyone isn't looking for the same things in hip hop. Some ppl are looking for beats, others rhymes, others wordplay, other crazy flows...even in 96 someone listening to too short is interested in vastly different things than someone who listens to wu tang

 

[Still Benefited]

I strongly enjoy both eras so I dont know what you want me to say?

you want me to apologize? bow down? pay homage? I dont care bro... Imma keep enjoying both eras of music.

I'm just not fascinated by the 90s the same way youre not fascinated by the 80s and 80s heads arent fascinated by the 70s etc etc ... but I enjoy music overall.

I dont know why you wrote a essay bytching... there are many people just like me... who enjoy BOTH... fukk ya feelings, its just music

My essay was simply checking your dumb ass,and anybody who might be reading that bullshyt you been talking in this thread,who might think you making any kindve points whatsoever.

You was shytting on the 90's first page,don't play that unbiased role to validate your opinions on the golden era...you don't know Wtf you talkin bout point blank period....nikkas hae no musical value?

 

[CrimsonTider]

The biggest thing I give this era is the production. it's clear production has surpassed the mic talent. I actually would appreciate if there were split branches of hip hop where one was just an instrumental genre. A lot of dudes ain't adding much to songs - from drake to Uzi vert to Ross, etc - but they end up with some fire ass beats that ride with or without rapping.

For you mic talent = bars

Rappers nowadays are focused on ad-libs, flows, delivery and quotable.

Anybody can write metaphors and multis if that was their goal

Troll thread but i will play...in 20 years when they play this generation music on old school stations like ares, yall faces is going be like when yall older

You realize people of this generation are when the music you fancy is played

So by the things people are citing as assets to the newer artists...

Is R&B also better now too because these nikkas also experiment with rapping and cursing and dressin' more like street dudes... because to younger people, well-written smooth R&B isn't as interesting? Does Stevie Wonder not compare the greatness of Trey Songz because he doesn't have the swag or energy he has or whatever the fukk?

Rappers from the 80s/90s were concerned with rapping. That's what they did. They told stories, they used different techniques, they didn't all use the same flow, they didn't give a fukk about singing because if they did, they could've just made R&B... if you actually view these things as a discredit to the artists of that era, then I'd assume you really don't know what you're talkin' about on this topic.

R&B is not hiphop and you totally missed the point of this thread.

No one is saying a rapper is better than Pac or Raekwon this thread is saying that these rapper s are better at certain aspects of music than those guys

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

For you mic talent = bars

Rappers nowadays are focused on ad-libs, flows, delivery and quotable.

Anybody can write metaphors and multis if that was their goal


You realize people of this generation are when the music you fancy is played



R&B is not hiphop and you totally missed the point of this thread.

No one is saying a rapper is better than Pac or Raekwon this thread is saying that these rapper s are better at certain aspects of music than those guys

Actually no, for me mic talent is putting together a coherent story in a song. A lot of dudes just be saying anything, you could ask me what the song was about right after listening and I'd give your five different explanations. ive never had a hard on for super complex lyrics and crazy wordplay (tho I appreciate it) I just want a song to have a point.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

in the 90s, all you had to do was spit those lyrical miracle raps...most of the rappers in that time were ugly, couldn't dress or harmonize, and make a HIT song that could cross over into the mainstream...they were literally making songs for other nikkas to sing along to

in todays climate, the masses realized ANYBODY could rap or spit bars, so in the early 2000's they demanded more from a "rapper"...now you have to be a strong performer on stage, be melodic and harmonize hooks, know how to hold your own on the dance floor, look good and dress fresh...you have to be really talented to make it in the game today

do you think its a coincidence that the billboard hot 100 is flooded with todays generation of hip hop music? or is it safe to say, the quality of music is simply better than back in the days? it reaches and touches way more people now than ever before...billboard was once filled with nikkas like the beatles and rolling stones...now lil yachty and uzi taking up those same spots

Are we finally seeing what hip hop is truly capable of?

U got two daps on your post bruh.

 

[mson]

These new nikkas ain't even rapping.

 

[TheBlackSun]

 

[CrimsonTider]

Actually no, for me mic talent is putting together a coherent story in a song. A lot of dudes just be saying anything, you could ask me what the song was about right after listening and I'd give your five different explanations. ive never had a hard on for super complex lyrics and crazy wordplay (tho I appreciate it) I just want a song to have a point.

Can you post examples?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Can you post examples?

lil Wayne from ~06-10 was a prime example, a whole bunch of random bars no coherent story

ASAP rocky is another


Drake's gyalchester

Slippery by migos - they talking p*ssy in the chorus, quavo talking a whole bunch of nothing, offset brings it back to a bytch, Gucci stuntin, then takeoff rounds it out with drugs and gun talk...like wtf is this song about

it slaps tho


And a bunch if other songs where cats just say anything over the beat.

 

[Art Barr]

Bone is an exception and are rarely herald when 90s heads romanticize about the golden era.

Bone was so ahead of their time that they appealed to the south more than Biggie, pac, Wu tang, Nas, Mobb Deep ever did and thats because of their musicality which is what the OP is talking about

You are wrong and bone was just signed because the west coast shop artist the fellowship already were doing what bone was.
The fellowship just had a cultural based connection and took responsibility amidst criminal cases.
to not glorify or make rap based on what easy would sell to the Republicans and become prison industrial economy based rap.

Bone was nowhere near original and Cali already had the gangsta rappers like bone.
Except the fellowship took responsibility for their content culturally.
On a level that easy did not and also failed because he had no register on selling culture based music in rap.
when he failed with atban clan.
whom were the original bep.
It is just easy found a group that did not rap intellectual in bone.
As he would call anyone with cultural responsibility content wise after atban clan.

Art Barr

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Why folks cape so hard for today's generation of hip hop? 90s and 2000s are some triumphed times for hip hop due to the fact that everybody was eating and smart with the craft. Even the lowest common denominator rapper had their place in the game for even trying. The problem with today's rappers is that they are trying so hard to be the GOAT, than be a good rapper. Producers want to be super, than just a talented beat maker. Maybe just MAYBE...humility is missing from the game hence why old heads such as myself hang on the saggy tit of hip hop from the past, and just cherry pick through the bullshyt of today's hip hop.

Just saying

 

[Art Barr]

Lil Uzi - XO Tour Life.... like 40 Migos records..... Meek got joints.... Drake got joints.... I'm not bouta sit here and name every one..... because the people who actually enjoy today's music understand the point of the thread... if you're not even into todays era of music, theres nothing I can say to change your mind...we have streaming now... you can listen to all the old classics you want

Keep in mind, I actually love BOTH eras (yes, its possible) but I understand both are bringing something different to the table


the old heads had BARS.... the young nikkas got HITS (without sampling hits or getting some random chick in the booth).... the young nikkas got ENERGY... the young nikkas got flows that never been heard before (songwriting).. thats why they take it so personal when someone jacks their flow I guess... its just DIFFERENT........ the producers are so much more epic in their production too which plays a big role in the music too....



comparing the sauce of today to the sauce of yesterday is like comparing apples and oranges....

you either like it or you dont.... but we have streaming, so you can enjoy what you prefer

Again none of the flows the new Gen uses is new and they are outdated and a spawn from the aftermath g unit technical base and era. Meets jumping the shark and trying to outdo prostitute flange and racks over and over again. Till the slowed bpm's of the day production. just absorbs any and every offkey talent into autotuned double time. Where everyone who was not technically sound lifts their technical base from.

This new era is not skill extensive at all and just one long rerun on auto tune at this point.
Plus they have no cultural connection to get out of the doldrums of prison industrial economy hell they platooned themselves into.
like some old twenty year old relic discovering bone being played into a Wawa machine.



Art Barr

 

[CrimsonTider]

lil Wayne from ~06-10 was a prime example, a whole bunch of random bars no coherent story

ASAP rocky is another


Drake's gyalchester

Slippery by migos - they talking p*ssy in the chorus, quavo talking a whole bunch of nothing, offset brings it back to a bytch, Gucci stuntin, then takeoff rounds it out with drugs and gun talk...like wtf is this song about

it slaps tho


And a bunch if other songs where cats just say anything over the beat.

Thats been in rap since the beginning. Rappers just getting their shyt off.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

 

[Murkman]

Fair enough.
But I would think finding rapping boring would be disqualifying.
There's a lot of people who listen to rap but aren't really fans of the shyt

Cole and Hopsin have boring beat selection to me, I'm still a Rap head, myth busted bro.